Lieberman Grilled at SCSU

by Melissa Bailey | October 6, 2006 4:56 PM | | Comments (9)

A crowd of Southern Connecticut State University students welcomed Senator Joe Lieberman’s higher education plans at a campaign stop Friday, then threw him tough questions on the war, torture and Democratic loyalty. Lieberman responded with a few new answers — and, after the event, altered his tune on wealthy self-financed candidates.

Lieberman spoke at SCSU Friday on a campaign stop as he pursues a third-party reelection bid against Democratic nominee Ned Lamont.

As the race focuses on the middle class, Lieberman revealed four higher education proposals to defray rising tuition costs. Private tuition in Connecticut has gone up 22 percent, and state tuition costs have gone up 32 percent, in the past five years, he said.

He’d triple the $4,000 tax deduction for college tuition; support a refundable tax credit for low- and middle-income families; and raise the cap on federal Pell Grants from $4,000 to $11,600. He’d also support setting a national formula for student loan borrowers so that their loan payments would correlate with how much money they’re making after college.

Lamont released an education proposal in September, calling for universal pre-K, after-school programing and college affordability. Click here to read it.

A Contradiction?

Students welcomed Lieberman’s proposed tuition relief. They also challenged the three-term senator.

Heating up the conversation in a post-speech Q & A, student Rich Neagle (at center in back) asked if Lieberman’s avowed support of the middle class and higher ed didn’t run “cross-purpose with your support, on the other hand, of some extraordinarily expensive overseas adventures, such as the war in Iraq.”

“If you don’t have security in this country, then everything else that we fight for is not going to be worth very much,” responded Lieberman. Despite a recent National Intelligence Estimate that concluded the Iraq war has made the world less safe from terror, the senator restated his claim that “overthrowing Saddam Hussein was an important part of maintaining American security.”

But he gave a new answer to the argument the Lamont camp has posed for so long — that pouring billions of dollars into the Iraq war undermines commitment to domestic priorities. Lieberman rejected the notion that the two run at “cross-purposes.”

“The truth is, we are an enormously wealthy country, and we could do both if we wanted to.” Lieberman said his education initiatives could be funded by repealing Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthy.

From Freedom Rider to Torture Apologist?

Student Kevin Miner, who said he’d voted for Lieberman twice in 2000, said one question had been eating him up for a long time: “I want to know what the moral reasoning is from a man who went from being a freedom rider to a torture apologist. I want to know what happened.”

The crowd — dozens of students joined by a lot of faculty and staff — applauded the question.

“I’m not a torture apologist,” said Lieberman, citing “outrage” at absence of due process for detainees at Guantanamo Bay. Then he went on to explain why he was one of only 12 Democratic senators to support a recent detainee bill. The bill prohibits some of the worst abuses of detainees, but many Democrats say it gives the president too much room to decide which other interrogation techniques are permissible and allow inhumane treatment of suspects.

Echoing Republican arguments, Lieberman told the student: “We’re at war. It’s hard for a lot of people to understand this, because it’s a different kind of war.” The people we are capturing are “enemy combatants,” and in many countries are given fewer rights than prisoners of war. “We are now giving them more rights than prisoners of war get in most countries of war.”

“I know it’s fashionable to say what you’re saying,” Lieberman told the student. But “these are people who people working for us suspect of wanting to kill us. All of us! Any one of us! And it doesn’t mean that they aren’t human beings … But they don’t deserve the same rights that citizens of the United States do.” The comment garnered a smattering of applause.


Post-Primary Relief?

Lieberman, whose candidacy has been boosted by national GOP support, was also challenged on how much he’s doing to support the Democratic Party’s attempts to gain a majority in Congress. Since Lieberman’s support is strongest among Republican voters, Democrats fear that he’ll jeopardize several Democrats’ Congressional campaigns in close races by drawing more GOP voters to the polls.

“How important is it to you that the Democrats retake control of the House and Senate?” asked one student, alluding presumably to Lieberman’s decision not to support the three Democratic candidates in hot state congressional races. The three incumbent Republican congressmen have officially backed or otherwise praised Lieberman.

Lieberman didn’t say he’d help Democratic congressional candidates in Connecticut win. Instead, he said his best hope is “working as hard as I can to, to get elected,” then “organize with Democrats” once elected.

Continuing to use his third-party political standing as a vantage point from which to decry “partisan politics,” Lieberman sounded almost relieved to have lost the primary.

When one man voiced frustration that “goverment doesn’t support the people,” Lieberman blamed that frustration on partisanship in congress. “Maybe, although it was painful to lose the primary, maybe it gives me an opportunity that I wouldn’t have had otherwise to express the same frustration to people.”

Self-Financing
Lieberman has been condemning Lamont for spending $6.7 million of his own money to “buy his Senate seat” yet recently announced he’ll be campaigning with New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a man who pumped ten times as much — over $66 million — into his reelection campaign in 2005. Bloomberg is hosting a Nov. 1 fund-raiser for Lieberman. Does Lieberman see that as a contradiction?

Asked if Bloomberg’s self-financing efforts were “wrong,” he said “no.”

“I’m not saying that anybody with money doesn’t have the right, under the law, to spend it and move themselves forward for office,” said Lieberman.

“My major argument against Lamont is not that he’s spending already $7 million of his own money, it’s that he has no experience.”

On the other hand, the Lieberman campaign’s official blog, “The Full Lamonty,” ridicules Lamont as “Neddie Warbucks” and posts a thermometer to record, and criticize, Lamont for putting money into his campaign.







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Posted by: JP | October 7, 2006 9:59 AM

It really is time for Joe to go. I wonder if he supported Bloomberg when he ran for the first time. Bloomberg didn't have experience then either.

The war answers really disturb me too. He talks about being in a "war", if he is talking about Iraq it is an illegal war that we started, maybe Joe should be interrogated to find out why he supported it and if he knew it would lead to the deaths of many thousands of innocent civilians.

If he is talking about the "war on terror", then he should know that we are way off track in that one. Can Joe answer this question: if we took all the money and manpower we used in Iraq and instead we had gone after Bin Laden, is it likely we would have caught or killed Bin Laden by now?

We are a wealthy country and that wealth comes from the people, not the government. I think the people are now pretty clear that we don't want to spend more money on Iraq.

Posted by: Married to a Yankee | October 7, 2006 1:07 PM

Excuse me Mr. Lieberman...Ned has no experience in just what? Lying? Covering up? Enabling pedophiles?

Sounds like a resounding endorsement to me.

Oh, and PS Mr. Lieberman...I don't think you will gain support by telling people what they are thinking is "fashioable", it is the same thing as telling people they are ignorant. Looks like maybe you think you're better than everyone.

This Washington stater, married to a yankee with a student at UConn is hoping -- for the good of this country -- you go down in defeat.

Posted by: Izzy Guaal | October 8, 2006 3:11 PM

Let's all understand at least one thing about this "Anti-Torture" bill; it has a time limit in it that excuses all the abuses - re. torture - that have occured up to, I believe, the end of December, 2005.

Bush, by signing this bill, has just pardoned himself, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc. - with Lieberman's - and let's not forget the other "screaming liberals'" - help. This alone warrants something bigger than a kiss from 'Bush The Slower' this time.

Yeah, the Demo's really need to give him seniority; he's part of their "Spine To Nowhere".

Ya'll keep on,
Izzy

Posted by: Freeman | October 8, 2006 3:24 PM

The American Republic will not survive so long as we use militarism and intimidation to protect us. Lieberman and others have created our immoral foreign policy that dates back to 1947 (the creation of the National Security State). They create the rain and then say S***, it's raining! Then they say, "The world's a dangerous place! You should help yourself by making money off it like we do."

"WE HOLD THESE TRUTHS TO BE SELF EVIDENT. THAT ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL. THAT THEY ARE ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR WITH CERTAIN UNALIENABLE RIGHTS. THAT AMONG THESE ARE LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS."

- THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

America applies this standard to everyone, everywhere, all the time. These ARE the American values. Get Over It.

With what counrty are American militarists confusing the USA with?

Posted by: j. v. Dez | October 8, 2006 8:16 PM

Lie berman IS IN BED WITH THE REPUBLICANS.

Posted by: FreeDem [TypeKey Profile Page] | October 9, 2006 6:11 AM

I would rather that a person not have to buy his own way into office.



But even more I would rather that people who hate freedom, and have contempt for democracy not buy a person's way into office for him, especially as it is for them.



Them that pays the piper calls the tune, but in Lieberman's case I hope that the jig is up.



Untill American taxpayers buy their own congress critters they will be bought by others.

Posted by: Andy ODonnell | October 9, 2006 10:02 AM

The Irishman living in America was asked what he missed most, living away from Ireland."Ah,sure I miss most the ould insincerity".Please somebody introduce him to Joe Liberman.

Posted by: Dorothy Conley | October 9, 2006 10:50 AM

I'm a Waterbury native living in Tennessee,where we're hoping to elect the south's first black Senator, Harold Ford Jr. God forbid he should have to caucus with Lieberman, that miserable excuse for a man. Still have fondness for your state with the exception of Holy Joe and your johnnie-come-lately Women's Basketball Fans.

P.S. Also hoping for our seventh NCAA women's championship!

Posted by: Shoreline_Jim | October 11, 2006 11:31 PM

"There you go again" -- oops. Joe already stole that line from Reagan. This man is behaving just like Lamonts ad's show - just tell the guy what he wants to hear and then I just do what the fx&( I want anyway. Go away little man/woman, cause I'm a US Senator.

I just don't understand how in the latest poll I saw, like 65 per cent of ppl were against the war, yet 30 per cent supported Joe. To me, that just doesn't make sense unless you feel Joe has done something for you personally.

That may be the case, just like Jim Amman in Milford. I mean come on, you are the Dem. Speaker of CT House and you support a man who was VOTED OUT by the largest number of voters in CT primary history.

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