Mexican Stand-Off

by Paul Bass | October 23, 2006 7:52 PM | | Comments (10)

A float at the pre-debate Lamont parade.
The greatest threat to America: border-crossing Mexican terrorists? Muslim fanatics heartened by chaos in Iraq? Bomb-carrying ships at our ports? Connecticut’s three candidates for U.S. Senate answered the question three different ways — and offered strikingly different visions of terrorism and how to combat it — in their crucial final debate.

It’s true. Even though not a single act of terrorism on our soil has involved Mexicans crossing the Rio Grande to pick strawberries in Connecticut, Republican Alan Schlesinger (pictured) really did identify Mexican immigrants as the group to fear most, and to keep out of the country, in the interests of homeland security.

The remarkable exchange took place in the debate Monday night at New London’s Garde Theater as the campaign hurtles to its Nov. 7 finale.

The candidates’ clear differences emerged most strikingly when New London Day reporter Ted Mann asked Schlesinger how best to protect American against terrorism.

Schlesinger, alighting from his stool to stand on a carpet on the Garde stage as part of the debate’s casual format, launched right into a tough-on-immigration spiel.

“Of the three men before you I am the only man with a tough stand on immigration,” Schlesinger said. “… We don’t only let them in illegally. Many of our refugees get social security.”

His comments prompted an incredulous George Stephanopolous, the debate’s celebrity moderator, to interrupt. “Can you restate your question?”he asked Mann.

“The question is really focused more on terrorism…” Mann said.

Schlesinger was undaunted.

“When you talk about terrorism in our homeland, illegal immigration is the spearhead of that,” he said. “Joe wants to give them amnesty. Ned wants to give them scholarships. I want to give them the boot…
“That is where our main threat is coming. It’s coming from Mexico. People can come through with a dirty bomb…”

In their responses, neither Lamont, the Democratic candidate, nor incumbent Lieberman, the “Connecticut for Lieberman Party” candidate, noted that the 9-11 attacks were carried out by Middle Easterners here legally. Or that Timothy McVeigh lived right here. Or that not a single terrorist act has been traced to Mexican immigrants.

But Lamont and Lieberman did proceed with different ideas — different from Schlesinger’s, and different from each other’s.

“Islamic terrorists … are out to destroy our way of life and as many of us as we can,” Joe Lieberman (pictured after the debate) said. “We have to do everything we can to capture and kill them.” At the same time, the U.S. needs to work hard to win the Islamic world’s “hearts and minds.”

That’s why he doesn’t want to “pull out of Iraq” without a clear victory, Lieberman said — he worries that doing so would encourage terrorists. “I’ve traveled to just about Arab country except Iran” and learned the importance of this issue, Lieberman said.

When his turn came, Lamont (shown immediately after the debate) didn’t mention that Iran is not an Arab country. But he did characterize continuing the U.S. war in Iraq war as the problem, not the solution.

“Only Sen. Lieberman thinks having 140,000 of our brave troops stuck in a bloody civil war in Iraq is making America safer in dealing with terrorism,” Lamont said. “Every day we’re there, we’re making the situation worse.” Lamont quoted a recent National Intelligence Estimate that said “our presence there is making the situation worse,” feeding terrorism. “Every day we’re there, every day George Bush and Joe Lieberman say stay the course, the world is more dangerous.”

“We’re spending $2 to $3 billiion a week in Iraq,” Lamont noted. He said the U.S. could better use that money to screen ships coming through our ports. The big threat he sees takes the form of “one of those bombs coming into the Untied States through a container we’ve never seen.”

Who Speaks to Whom

Schlesinger scored the biggest spontaneous points when hecklers affiliated with cult figure Lyndon Larouche interrupted the debate by trying to drown out Lieberman. Lamont sat still on the stage while that happened. Schlesinger stood up and bellowed a demand that they shut up and show Lieberman respect. As in previous debates, Schlesinger was the loosest, and the funniest, of the candidates. (Lamont followed later, in his closing remarks, with a rebuke of the interruptions.)

During the debate, Lieberman resumed his strategy of seeking to ignore Republican Schlesinger — who, if he emerges from single digits in the polls, would presumably take votes from Lieberman. For instance, in discussing Iraq, Lieberman said, “I am not prepared to give up on Iraq. I am not prepared to fail. This is a big difference between Ned Lamont and me.”

Lamont aimed his fire at Lieberman. “Joe Lieberman’s and George Bush’s stay the course strategy is a recipe for failuire” in Iraq, he said. He scored Lieberman for inaction as the number of uninsured Americans has risen to 47 million.

For his part, Schlesinger chose which opponent to criticize based on the issue. On health care, he scored Lamont for talking about universal health care without discussing difficult choices about cutting costs.

“Ned,” Schlesinger said, “you’re just like holiday shopping. Everyone loves you until the bill comes in… . Until you start talking about costs, Ned, the problem will continue.” Schlesinger called for tort reform to drive down malpractice costs; and health savings accounts that forced citizens to pay more attention to the cost of their bills and allows them to deduct insurance from their income taxes.”


An Outside Issue, Not an Inside Issue

The Lamont campaign staged a spirited parade, complete with floats and music, to usher the candidate to New London’s Garde Theatre for the debate. The marchers focused on the campaign finance issue.

The issue dominated the campaign news cycle Monday, as the Lamont campaign filed a complaint with the Federal Elections Commission (FEC) charging that the Lieberman camp had violated the law by listing close to $400,000 spent during the 12-day run-up to the Aug. 8 Democratic primary as unspecified “petty cash.”

Lamont defeated Lieberman, a three-term incumbent, in that primary by 4 percentage points. Lieberman took out petitions to run as a “Connecticut for Lieberman” Party candidate on Nov. 7.

The Lieberman campaign dismissed the Lamont charges as “desperate” moves by a candidate down 17 points in the polls two weeks before election day. The campaign also refused to specify how the money was spent.

“We are in full compliance with FEC laws,” said Lieberman spokeswoman Tammy Sun (pictured). “We’re not going to go beyond the law make the journals [showing details of how the money was spent] available just because Ned Lamont has crazy conspiracy theories about vote-buying and thuggery.”


But on a day when the news in Iraq continued to worsen, Lamont had no plans to raise the FEC issue in the debate. Instead he focused on the central issues on which he and Lieberman disagree and on which voters believe their future security rests — such as terrorism and the war in Iraq.







Comments

Posted by: Strangerthanfiction | October 23, 2006 9:44 PM

I was waiting and hoping for Lamont to jump up and angrily discipline the hecklers and defend Sen. Lieberman's right to speak. It would have been a great moment for him. But, it should be remembered that the heckling started when Lieberman basically called Lamont a liar for nothing more than holding the Senator's record up to scrutiny.

Lamont still scored strong on the issues and delivery. He spoke to the change our broken government needs, and he convinced me tonight that he will an honest agent of that positive change. There were moments of inspiring eloquence by Ned, and I knew that he meant what he said. He's the real deal. Time for Joe to go.

Posted by: xtrarich | October 23, 2006 10:02 PM

Wow. Great commentary, and it is less than an hour after the debate. You are amazing, Paul.

BTW, I thought Ned looked very sanatorial, which I think was exactly what he needed to do. He remained calm, yet passionate about his beliefs, dispite the mayhem.

Not so Joe, who apparently called Ned a "son of a bitch" when Ned went to shake his hand at the end.

Posted by: rootsterblue | October 23, 2006 10:07 PM

The hecklers were Lyndon Larouche supporters.

Posted by: Sharon [TypeKey Profile Page] | October 23, 2006 10:07 PM

The hecklers were followers of Lyndon Larouche. Apparently they staged a demonstration outside the hall after the debate ended, too.

Of course, Lieberman tried to blame the disruption on the Lamont campaign, just like he tried to blame his pathetic underpowered website crashing on Primary Night on the Lamont campaign, too.

Poor Joe. Grasping at straws, losing his temper and calling Ned a "goddam sonovabitch" post debate.

Does Joe kiss his President with that mouth?

Posted by: Monty | October 23, 2006 10:10 PM

It appears the hecklers were Lyndon LaRouche people according to someone who was there. See http://ctbob.blogspot.com/

Posted by: John Chandley | October 23, 2006 10:15 PM

The folks who disrupted the event were apparently supporters of Lyndon Larouche -- and they were rejected from the hall with the help of Lamont supporters. I repeat: The disrupters were apparently not from any of the candidates campaigns, and were certaintly not Lamont people, and Lieberman charged (without any facts). There is a video Youtube, taken by a Connecticut blogger, Connecticut Bob, and will be up on his site shortly. Apparently there was a larger group of LaRouche supporters demonstrating in the lobby.

Posted by: Barry | October 24, 2006 1:00 AM

Did they mention the Schiavo case at all?

I was really shocked when Joe Lieberman supported Bill Frist's attempt to get the Federal government to interfere with the Schiavo family's personal issues. I cannot understand why a politician would use privacy as some sort of political wedge like that, and even more surprised when it was a Democrat.

Posted by: Ozy | October 24, 2006 2:00 AM

Schlesinger did a great job. Actually the Connecticut Republicans will probably vote for him. I don’t see any Republican in their right mind voting for Lieberman. I have much more faith in them to support their party in this case an excellent candidate, like Schlesinger, than to take marching orders to vote for a party sellout like Joey. The Republicans don’t need that kind of element in government leadership than any party does.
Lamont stuck to his positions across the board. He kept his cool and really showed Senatorial stature. I am positive the corporate media has been salting the polls to give Joe the small lead as favors to that insider group. If you can feel the desire in Connecticut to do one thing this election is to show Joe who runs the state and it’s not him!

THE CONTETICUT VOTERS DO Joe!
No three terms as an independent Joe you have had your chance and did very little for the American public.

Posted by: IllegalImmigrationIntroduction | October 24, 2006 2:06 PM

Even though not a single act of terrorism on our soil has involved Mexicans crossing the Rio Grande to pick strawberries in Connecticut,

Technically correct, but there are several links between illegal immigration and the 9/11 hijackers. For instance, two of those hijackers got drivers_licenses with the assistance of an illegal_alien.

And, there's new report from a House subcommittee detailing past and potential terrorist infiltration, detailing all the aliens from "special interest" countries who've come over the borders, etc.: tinyurl.com/y9msjh (PDF file from house.gov)

The reader should scan that PDF file, and the reader should ask "cui bono" from the quote at the start of this comment, and then wonder whether this site's opinion of these matters should be trusted or not.

Posted by: bonica_babe | October 28, 2006 3:21 AM

The interesting thing about the polls is that the # of respondents in the last Q-poll is 1/3 as many as the largest sampling in the Lamont/Lieberman polls around the time of the August primary, and I'm not clear why you would have a huge primary sampling with much smaller total voter population than in the general. The number polled has trended downward to its current low. Seems like accuracy would improve with a larger sampling -- so why would you use less? I can come up with conspiracy theories, but wondered if there is a good, logical, professional reason.


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