Suggestions Abound For Shartenberg 2.0
by Allan Appel | April 25, 2007 9:04 AM | Permalink | Comments (14)
How about adding a 120-room boutique hotel atop the smaller tower at the corner of Chapel and Orange? How about making sure that the floors of all the apartments of the main residential tower have a layer of “green” and quiet cork? Reducing the number of parking spots from 600, and concealing them from the life of Chapel Street?
While you’re at it, make sure the building does not become a glass box but somehow speaks the “language” of the other vertical structures of the New Haven skyscape. And please don’t forgo the opportunity to make a green, sustainable, iconic architectural statement for generations to come… Oh, and what about hitching posts for pedicabs on Chapel Street as well?
These and other suggestions — great and small, by turns helpful, provocative, and engaging —preoccupied a room full of New Haven architects, such as Keith Krolak, urban planners, designers, and regular citizens Tuesday. They participated in a workshop on the evolving shape of the tower-dominated development slated to rise on the former Shartenberg site on downtown’s southeastern border some 24 months from now.
The man who won the competition to develop the site of the old Shartenberg department store, spanning the block on Chapel between Orange and State, is Bruce Becker (pictured here with realtor Bernie Diana discussing a possible hotel atop a tower). Becker faced professional questioners as well as just-interested citizens at the evening public workshop convened at 200 Orange St. by the city’s Office of Economic Development.
In response to previous criticism that the building was too big and too dense, Becker’s team has already taken eight stories off the top of the main tower (but added them to a smaller tower, at the corner of Orange), and also offered a brick facade for the first four to five stories on Chapel to integrate more into the streetscape. Click here for the previous changes announced.) The $100 million project’s residential tower is now planned to rise 23 stories. Still evolving were parking configurations, the type of retail, whether a hotel might be part of that, and the extent that all of this might be done in a manner balancing Becker’s goal of creating a building record-breaking in its “greenness,” its luxurious amenities, and integration into the life of the city.
In an atmosphere, genial, thoughtful, and engaged, some of the toughest questions came from people like Joe Schiffer (on the left in the photo) of Herbert Newman Associates, one of the firms that lost out on the original bidding. “As long as you try to conceal the parking,” Schiffer said politely, referring to floors two through five of the proposed structure, “it’s not going to work. Everyone will know the cars are there. Maybe you should consider some kind of ‘lining,’” he suggested, meaning a line of small, low-depth studio apartments in front of the garage, “so headlights don’t shine through to the street.”
“You should also be aware as you move forward in your research,” added Yale architecture professor Alan Plauttus (to the right, his hand, like Schiffer’s, in the thoughtful position), “that by the time your building is done, many of the units on the floors across from you on Chapel Street are going to be rehabbed and lived in. Those people don’t want to be looking at headlights from your parking garage.”
As it is currently conceived by Becker and his lead designer, project architect Michael Losasso (to Becker’s right in the photo), the Shartenberg building will have one floor of parking below ground. The ground floor will be retail. The floors two through about five (the numbers are evolving) up to the height of about 45 feet, which is the height of the streetscape on Chapel immediately facing, will be a parking garage. Although it is concealed or “wrapped,” there was skepticism about whether these parking floors would fool anyone. Becker conceded that parking is a huge issue needing to be addressed, since it is one of his aims to have the building be not only record-setting in terms of its “green-ness” but also be an example to the region of TOD, or transit-oriented development.
“We can’t go down underground further,” Becker said, because the expense is so great and also because of the water table, “but we are looking into this.”
Schiffer and others also urged Losasso and Becker not to build a glass box. “Please,” said Schiffer, among other architects, “consider your vertical presence and make it be a good neighbor. The way you have it now, there is no stepping, no modulation. As a glass slab, the tower sets itself apart from the city and the fact that it doesn’t touch down its foot also separates it.”
Becker said that, yes, they would consider some stepping, some articulation, but that some New Haven towers are models, such as the Knights of Columbus headquarters. “However, keep in mind that many of our design decisions are going to be driven by the green-ness of the structure. A simple rectangular structure is far more efficient. We could have articulation, but that could constitute a steep trade-off in energy saving and efficiency.”
After the gathering broke up to brainstorm in various groups, each led by a member of the Becker and Becker team, these were some of the other ideas, great and small, that emerged for the developer to ponder:
In the “amenities group,” Kirsten Springer (on the left) heard from New Haveners like Christine Bishop (on the right) that cork floors would be a good idea. Everyone also liked the notion of the building be wired, in the walls, for Internet and wifi. Retail suggestions were of interest too. “People want a mid-priced grocery and a mid-sized one,” she said. “Not a huge Trader Joe’s.” Some said a dry cleaner and clothing store would attract tenants. And a clothing store designed not only for young and slim people who go trekking, “but for people with regular bodies!”
As to green measures in the building, John Renner, another architect with Becker, said they would do just about everything in the book from an extensive photovoltaic canopy on the roof, the most energy-efficient envelope possible for the building, 10 percent or more of recycled materials in the building, 10 percent of locally or regionally produced materials, down to smaller energy saving features such as recycling of sink water to flush toilets, occupancy sensors for lights, and much more. “One of our favorite activities,” said Renner, “is staying up late at night on the Internet and seeing what’s the latest and what’s newest in green technology.”
In light of this Becker urged participants to advocate for a green building tax credit movement in Connecticut of the kind in place in New York.
As to ideas emerging from the transit-oriented development group, they were primarily what has been discussed before: the great opportunity of the proximity of the Metro North station on State Street. Becker architect Aaron Pine said expansion of train service is very much in the works and is being spurred by the project, especially weekend service along the shoreline, to places such as Hammonasset State Park. Bicycle storage is also being factored into the design, although the suggestion for pedicabs was new. Pine, like all the Becker staff, seemed to new ideas, even this one. “There is a pedicab company operating in New Haven,” he said. “Like bicycles it’s essentially a good idea, reducing reliance on cars. It’s not a great area, however, to have a pedicab stand. But we’ll think on it.”
While Becker was eager to hear from people such as Bernie Diana (pictured above), a real estate agent with Levy Miller Maretz, who had hotel clients interested in whether Becker was prepared to lease them air rights for a possible extended-stay hotel (with kitchenettes and other amenities), most of the hotel questions were of a more skeptical variety. “The reason we’re considering it,” Becker said, “is that it reduces our exposure to the rental market. If the revenue stream a hotel creates can equal that of renting, then we’ll think about it, and we are.”
Another questioner wanted to know why the building is all rental, no condos. “The simple answer is that our financing comes from large pension funds, and these people are into it for the long term. They want us to hold onto the property for its long-term appreciation, so no condos, no flipping.”
Becker said he was particularly struck by the concern of people that he not think of Chapel Street as the pedestrian-oriented side of his development and State Street as strictly vehicular. That is, how pedestrians navigate from the building to the train station, how they navigate around the Pitkin Tunnel which lets out onto State is also important. In that connection also, he acknowledged with gratitude the suggestion that the store that goes in at the corner of Chapel and State not close at 7 p.m., as part of a more welcoming and pedestrian-oriented face onto State Street that also reaches over to Wooster Square.
Scott Healy, who heads the Town Green Development District, offered an interesting and challenging final remark to Bruce Becker and his team.
“This room is full of New Haven professionals, and they sometimes can be seen as dividing up into the contextualist/preservationists and the contemporary modernists. There’s a danger that in listening to both sides you’ll get caught in the middle and you’ll come up with something mixed, a compromise. Resist it, please, Mr. Becker,” Healy said. “I’d urge you to build something striking, so that it can be an icon. New Haven has never seen, in modern times, any kind of return to ‘ye olde New England village.’ Quite the contrary, it has a great legacy of contemporary design. The Shartenberg project has the possibility of being a real icon for generations to come.”
How did Becker respond? He seemed to indicate that of his many goals in the project, making it not only financially successful but also the state’s most exemplary green and transit-oriented building, meant using the latest material. These concerns will drive his planning choices. Since those materials are all modern in their look, he said, that was a kind of affirmation of the gauntlet Healy had thrown down.
Nevertheless, the meeting also included a suggestion, which had come from Kirsten Springer’s group, that the developer/architects include in the final product a fish pond. Why? Because the old Shartenberg Department Store had one, fondly remembered.
Becker asked for ongoing suggestions be sent to him and his staff at beckerandbecker.com. The public review process on the site begins at the end of May.
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Posted by: charlie | April 25, 2007 11:08 AM
Downtown has the most valuable real estate in the area and should therefore be reserved for the wealthy. Putting subsidized housing there is an absolutely ridiculous idea because it means everyone else in the city (90%+ don't live downtown) will have to pay more in taxes because of the opportunity cost by not charging top dollar for the downtown land.
Posted by: dafeder | April 25, 2007 1:45 PM
Yes, Charlie, there are some cities in which downtown is currently reserved for the wealthy (NY, Boston) and some in which it is currently reserved for the poor (LA, Detroit.) Long term, we have to ensure that New Haven will not turn precipitously from the first category to the second (LA and Detroit didn't start that way). I like the idea of greater tax revenues for the city, but I'm not sure that's enough to shore up the social fabric to keep downtown vibrant.
David
Posted by: robn | April 25, 2007 5:55 PM
How about NOT making it look like it was designed by a first year architecture student?
Glassiness isn't neccesarily the problem. Lack of setbacks isn't neccesarily the problem. The problem is the milquetoastiness of the design. A good architect can do simple, cost-effective architecture and still make an elegant building .(Arne Jacobsen for example) If the Shartenberg lot is developed the way its been drawn it will cheapen downtown.
Posted by: ? | April 25, 2007 6:10 PM
This guy is a sorry excuse for an architect.
Look at his portfolio. Every building is atrocious.
You can't just become a good architect over nite.
Posted by: robn | April 26, 2007 8:57 AM
To their credit, B+B's portfolio of preservation properties is impressive. However, the renderings being exhibited for the Shartenberg site look amateurish. New Haven will live with this building for a very long time. Go forward with caution New Haven...An endless stream of architects have ventured into high rise design with the mistaken belief that low-rise design attitudes can be simply extruded into the sky.
Posted by: cedarhillresident
| April 26, 2007 2:48 PM
I agree with everyone that said it is a UGLY building. We all know how I feel. This was the wrong choose. Big mistake! I don't care how much tweaking they do it is wrong for this city!
Posted by: I95Commuter | April 26, 2007 9:11 PM
As a commuter that travels I95, I look forward to seeing this new building as part of the New Haven skyline. It will certainly enhance the lack of interesting visuals that exist now, breathe some new life into downtown and do it all by being sensitive to the environment. It is disappointing to read such negativity in this blog since the city is finally moving forward in a very positive direction.
Posted by: robn | April 27, 2007 8:32 AM
195commuter
What you're reading is not negativism, but criticism, and those are two very different things. The exterior skin of a building represents a very small percentage of an overall construction budget, however, its the easiest place for a developer to cut costs and increase profits. The proposed Shartenberg design is undercooked.
I invite you to leave I-95 and come into downtown to explore the really nice architecture that you're missing. We have beautiful classical buildings by Cass Gilbert, James Gamble Rogers and Henry Austin, beautiful classic modern buildings by Douglas Orr, Eero Saarinen, Philip Johnson, and Louis Kahn, and beautiful contemporary buildings by Frank Gehry, Herbert Newman, Cesar Pelli and Kalmann McKinnel and Wood Architects.
You don't know that the Shartenberg proposal is bad becusae you're missing whats good.
Posted by: Our Town
| April 27, 2007 9:05 AM
And Paul Rudolf, although I'm probably the only one who likes his buildings!
Posted by: Roger | April 27, 2007 1:52 PM
Hmmm... "Sorry excuse for an architect"? "First year architecture student"? And this is not negativisim, but criticism?? It's disappointing to see this forum used for cheap shots -- especially given the high level of responsible conversation at the public presentation the other night.
I'm a New Haven native who has long lived elsewhere and come back often, and I appreciate the need to give any big new project robust scrutiny. But I think the building that is proposed does quite well. Moreover, I have seen the Becker group's projects over in Norwich and on Roosevelt Island, and they are high-quality projects indeed. The group up till now has largely done historical preservation, and so it's perhaps not surprising that the design for the Shartenberg site is not aggressively contemporary or flashy. To me that suggests an architect eager to create a building that will meet the needs of actual people, and not merely his own ego.
Also, from what I heard the other night, the Becker group seems unusually willing to listen to the community and to modify its design and planning accordingly. This bodes well for getting such elements as the Chapel Street facade worked out in an optimal way. My guess is that time will show this to be a significantly positive decision for New Haven.
Anyone who has doubts should take a look at what this group has done with that hotel in Norwich and with the Roosevelt Island project.
Posted by: jaredsedam | April 27, 2007 2:00 PM
Well put "Robn." Buildings should NOT be selected or built to impress the passerby from far away, but to impress the people that live, work and walk by it everyday. Skyline is something that is overtalked and overrated. Everyday interaction with the building at the street level is what should be, but isn't in this case, the top priority. And talk about mediocre design. It's the Chapel square mall all over again. This whole proposal and selection process with it's politics and backwards thinking has made me sick to my stomach, and has even eaten away at my faith in the progressiveness and intelligence of the city planners and politicians. We seem to be no smarter than we were back in the 60's.
Posted by: cedarhillresident
| April 27, 2007 2:32 PM
robn well put.
New Haven is a very arts oriented city as we all know. That includes the architecture. One of most wonderful things is to be able to walk down the street and see the history that the buildings tell about our city. What is this building going to say about this generation?? It offers nothing interesting. I get the whole green thing and all the justification on why this is such a great choice but I think most that LIVE in this city would have a different thought. You know the people that pay all the taxes.
Another question will this building hurt other downtown rental buildings?? Will it effect the rental market in a negitive way??? Would Condos of been a better choose?? Condo's would not of hurt the surrounding rentals, you know the people who built up the downtown area for us. And there are a large number of people that want Condos. There are not that many in the downtown area so they are buying else where. I just don't get it?? That is the market in the downtown area that has yet to be addressed.
Posted by: mindoflen | April 27, 2007 4:35 PM
Excuse me, but wasn't there a deal back in the late 1980s that gave the Shartenberg site to developer David Chase's operation with the proviso that Chase build a parking garage on the site within a short period of time?
Chase got a great many tax breaks, etc., for his Connecticut Financial Center (157 Church St.) in exchange for renovating the City Hall (which he obviously and beautifully did) and for building this parking structure.
What happened, I guess, is that Chase collected parking fees on the site for past decade or so.
Did Chase sell the property? Was the city deal negated in the interim? I had been working out of state for some years and lost touch.
I know the late Mayor Biagio DiLieto was the city's chief executive at the time. I forgot who was the development administrator.
I guess I just lost touch.
Posted by: Ned | April 27, 2007 10:05 PM
What is history going to say about this generation? two words: VINYL SIDING. So while all of this energy is going into the design of this one building, the rest of the town is going to hell, smothered in vinyl siding and that fugly, died red mulch - two of the ugliest, cheapest, least eco-friendly materials around.
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