New Haven Independent

Posted by: TrueBlueCT | June 1, 2007 2:01 AM

Pechinski is repugnant. An ugly American.

But the country does need to do something about illegal immigration. My beef is that the status quo is creating a semi-permanent under-class of undocumented workers, who labor without the ordinary protections, and undercut American labor in the same instance.

Basically, I have no problem at all with immigrant labor. But it should be a level playing field, and the contractor who wants to do things by the book should be able to compete with the employer who doesn't.

So I guess I am almost for the current immigration bill as proposed by Bush. (aargh.) But also with guest worker visas, and amnesty, should come tougher enforcement against employers. If we believe in OSHA, unemployment, worker's comp, etc, it should apply to everyone. There shouldn't be this wild-card of off-the-books employers.

Just my two cents. And I am all for my Latino brothers. It's just that minimum standards, (like child labor laws), should apply to all. The current system is exploitative and unnecessary.

Posted by: KAMB | June 1, 2007 8:37 AM

These articles are so dumb, they constantly miss the point. No one is against immigrants . . legal ones. ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS should be deported. None is afraid of losing a job to a legal immigrant. Its the ILLEGAL ones that undercut legal American jobseekers. The argument is old and stupid. Anyone who wants to give a free pass to an ILLEGAL undercuts those who have legally come here and put their time in to be a LEGAL citizen.
the end.

Posted by: greg | June 1, 2007 8:55 AM

Pechinski doesnt deserve any attention, cant count{30 million?},and is full of hate.He should be arrested for hate crimes, thrown out of the church and put in jail. lets see how tough he is then.

Posted by: cedarhillresident | June 1, 2007 9:04 AM

What hate.....I am in agreement with "TrueBlueCT" even with the (aargh) with the Bush proposal. Were these people even from New Haven?? This is a Temp protection for OUR citzens till the Federal Gov. figures out what they are going to do. It is that simple. They need to get over it.

Posted by: CT Lawyer | June 1, 2007 9:17 AM

True Blue,

I am almost in total agreement with you. Certainly the anti-immigrant crowd in Connecticut is repugnant. Do any of us really question that not so long ago these same people and their predecessors fought hard against expanding rights to African-Americans. And now to try to pit ethnic groups against each other as if these bigots are to be trusted to represent the best interests of people of color or have any history of doing so -- disgusting. Congratulations to the leadership of New Haven for openly calling hate by its name.

You are also right that providing the immigrants who live among us legal status with a path to citizenship will mean that employers' ability to undermine fair labor standards by threatening immigrants with deportation if they complain about abuses will likely become a thing of the past. This will be good for all workers. I expect that given immigrants frequency of involvement in low wage jobs, organized labor will move aggressively to organize this workforce which suddenly will have the opportunity for collective bargaining rights. And BRAVO for this.

The only concern I have is with the "guestworker" program in the current federal bill. Fortunately this has been cut by amendment from 400,000 to 200,000 workers but this would still quite possibly create a legally recognized underclass which would be here simply to work for "us" without any opportunity to share in the American dream. We can expect this group to be exploited and used to undermine labor rights for workers. You would expect, and can find, such a legally created underclass in several small wealthy oil countries. There is no place for it in a democracy.

Posted by: THREEFIFTHS | June 1, 2007 9:17 AM

I Wonder If This Was The Haitian Would We Have The Same Out Cry!!! I Agree With Mr. Pechinson Only With The Under Cuting Of Labor. Also If This
So Call I.D. Card Is Only For Resident Of New Haven To Get One Of These Cards How Do You Prove To Be A Resident Of New Haven.Is It Not A Crime To Clam To Be A Resident Of The Town And Get Benfits And You Are Not A Resident? The People Of
This Country Better Start Wakeing Up The Corporatist and There Politicians Puppets Are Behind This. If You Think This Is Not About Under
Cuting Labor In This Country Google In Barbara Ehrenreich Colum CEO Vs Slaves Read It And You will See How These Ccorporatist Law Firms Are Under Paying There Lawyers By Using Temps By Doing This The Firms Pay No Medcial Benfits. Ask You Self If There Is A Cap On The Number Of Immigrants Because If you Do Not Have A Cap Look Out New Haven There Will Come In From Other States.Last Bottom Line Illegal Is Illegal And All You Have To Do Is Do What I Have Start To Do And That Is If I Suspect Illegal Immigrants Working On Peoples Homes, Living In Apartments Or Houses I Call INS, DEA. US MARSHEL Service. Americas Most Wanted And Let These Agency Handle This Problem. And No I.D. Card Will Save Them!!!

Posted by: Alderman Shah | June 1, 2007 9:48 AM

This program is for City Residents. Anyone can get one provided that you have a birth certificate or official documentation from your natural country to prove who you are.

My concern is the flyer that was emailed to me. We have seen these type of flyers before. They are designed to terrorize people into being biased against certain groups. There is no room for this in New Haven.

Posted by: on Whalley | June 1, 2007 10:48 AM

Im a resident, born and raised and this little stunt by DeStefano and these "private groups" that he claims to have paid for these cards should be tried for treason. Every police officer who refuses to inquire about a persons citizenship should be fired for not doing their job (not that the NHPD has ever done its job). Ive lost more than one job in my life to an illegal alien. One was from South America the others were from Eastern Europe. Why pay the neighbor kid $10 to mow your lawn when you can some illegal to do it for $5? The working class and tradesmen are dwindling in numbers because of the uncertified, uninsured, non-bonded workers here illegaly. Its contributing to the collapse of the middle class. They cut ahead of everyone trying to come here legally and the government rewards them for it. Crooked employers profit from it. Women and children are made sex slaves because of it.
The borders should be locked down. Everyone entering or leaving the country should be accounted for.

Posted by: dafeder | June 1, 2007 11:33 AM

I'm trying to imagine some guy standing at the border fence in Juarez telling his family, "well kids, I know you like living here and earning $3 a day, but if we all go to New Haven we could all get library cards!"

It sounds to me like the the card focuses less on the benefits of citizenship (like voting and social security) and more on the values (libraries, parks, work and commerce in the public sphere). I can't wait to get one.

David

Posted by: Joe | June 1, 2007 11:43 AM

Is it just me, or does Ted Pechinski appear to be Al Marder's evil, ultra-conservative doppelganger? Perhaps the forces of good should dispatch Al to demolish this evil "Bizarro Al" once and for all.

Posted by: mindoflen | June 1, 2007 11:47 AM

In the clip that accompanies the immigration confrontation story, the woman yells at the America-Firster from North Branford that he doesn't belong in New Haven, giving his opinion on the city's illegal-immigrant proposal. That gets my irony meter flashing. She shouldn't tell someone he doesn't belong here while arguing that another person or group does belong here.
By the way, Len'sLens is all for giving illegals the materials they need to make a living, open bank accounts and be safe, as long as the identification cards aren't married up to automatic-refilling debit cards that could jeopardize the financial health of other citizens.
More at mindoflen.blogspot.com.

Posted by: Wjay | June 1, 2007 1:36 PM

Alderman Shah is not only a law maker in New Haven, he is equally responsible to uphold city, state and federal law, as it applies to ID cards. Shah believes all one needs to qualify for a ID card is a birth certificate or proof of who you are.
That is only one of many qualifications necessary under the Federal law.
One would also need to provide:
1.Evidence of lawful status.
2.Is a alien lawfully admitted in the U.S.
3.proof of Social security number.
4.Proof of address.
5.The persons gender.
6.The persons full legal name and birth place.
7.The card is only valid for no more than on year.
8.The city must share the data with the Dept of Homeland Security, and the local DMV.

Alderman Shah you have more work to do to ensure New Haven and the applicant(s) is compliant.
Please uphold the law.

Posted by: ctblogger | June 1, 2007 3:07 PM

Pechinski and the xenophobes who make up the Danbury base of the CT Citizens for Immigration Control (actually, they're not a part of the CTCIC any more. Their new name is United States Citizens for Immigration Enforcement) are nothing more than a bunch of racist bigots.

I maintain a blog/video blog based in Danbury that has documented their nonsense and I can tell you that these people are not against illegal-immigrants but ALL immigrants. I attended one of their anti-immigration forums where a member suggested that every immigrant should be rounded up and place into concentration camps (and the audience clapped in support of his suggestion).

Watch for yourself.

Posted by: CT Lawyer | June 1, 2007 3:26 PM

WJAY,

No disrespect but Alderman Shah is well within his rights and obligations. You appear to have cut and pasted from several sources to generate your list. Almost no id (and certainly not a CT driver's license) would meet your standards. Completely legal forms of identification are regularly given out by government agencies without meeting many of your points. For instance, tons of folks get state college ids without a social security number, without their info ever being sent to the DMV or DHS, or any information about birthplace being required for issuance of the id.

One of the places which you may have cut and pasted from is the Real ID Act. This is pretty specifically targeting state driver's licenses. It is a pretty stupid law for lots of reasons but it does not by any logical reasoning cover something like a municipal id. It's a stupid law because it encourages lawlessness and makes the roads less safe, by ensuring that lots of drivers lack a state driver's license. (Do you really believe people who need to drive to survive are going to not do so because they can't get a license?) But that's another matter entirely. For these purposes it is simply enough to note that the law would not apply here just as it does not for lots of other government purposes.

Kudos to Alderman Shah for standing for justice in the face of such attacks. Fortunately he need not concern himself that he is acting in civil disobedience as he shares New Haven's courageous stand.

Posted by: Ned | June 1, 2007 4:26 PM

Here's yet another nasty side effect of the anti-immigrant mentality:
http://gcbo.typepad.com/gulf_coast_bird_observato/2007/05/another_aspect_.html

Posted by: Wjay | June 1, 2007 4:48 PM

CT. Lawyer..
Alderman Shah should be able to provide his own response, not a free response tailored by Yale.
Where did you get your law degree and license, Sears & Roebuck? Here Again, you failed to read and understand the plain language written into the law, instead you want only to extract your interpetation of the drivers license provisions in the law and ignore the provisions dealing with ID's. Whether the law is fair and just is not the question, it's the law stupid.

Posted by: THREEFIFTHS | June 1, 2007 6:10 PM

CT. Lawyer
Are Citizens Within There Rights In Calling INS And Informing INS On Illegal Immigrants? From My Reading Of The Immigration Laws Of This Country INS Is In Charge Of Immigration Not The States. How Come King John Can Not Wait For The Out Come Of The Federal Bill. For Me As I Have State I Will
Be Calling INS On Suspect Illegal Immigrants. So CT.Lawyer Am I Within My Rights Of Doing This And Are Others.

Posted by: CT Lawyer | June 1, 2007 8:40 PM

WJAY,

Hmmm. I'm not sure how to respond. You have not actually cited a law. I explained why your list was not based in any law. I then explained why the Real ID Act did not apply to a municipal ID. I did not bother to ask where you got your law degree because it is pretty clear that you do not have one. I don't mean that to be offensive, I just mean that you like to throw around the word "law" as if it should intimidate people. Only the worst kind of lawyer would knowingly try to intimidate people by saying something is illegal when it is not.

(Here's one simple example from your "legal analysis" to demonstrate my point about your making up the "law" to try to intimidate people -- you said the law requires that ids be "valid for no more than one year". But who has ever heard of a state driver's license being issued for one year?)

As you begin your critical legal analysis, you may want to start with the reality that providing government services to undocumented immigrants is not a crime. Here's a simple way to look at it, which may make the law easier for you to understand. If the DMV gives a driver's license to someone who robs a bank, that does not make the DMV complicit in bank robbery. Now that is extreme to make a point, since another fact you may want to take into consideration is that the "crime" of entering the country without documentation is not a felony and thus the action taken against undocumented immigrants by the federal government is almost always civil and not criminal.

You may not like undocumented immigrants and you may not like New Haven's policies but maybe you should just say that and not cloak your dislikes in some mysterious "law" that you cannot even name. You may have policy reasons for why you think New Haven should not provide these ids to its residents, but when you make up fake legal reasons, it leads one to wonder if you have a more sinister intent which you would rather not put into print.

Alderman Shah appears to have stuck up for himself just fine. I was simply giving him kudos for standing up for those who lack power in our society. He also clearly (though in nicer language) described those who wrote the flyers as what they are -- and what CT Blogger has consistently demonstrated they are through his reporting -- bigots.

Oh, and it would certainly have been cheaper to have gotten a law degree at Sears & Roebuck.

Posted by: Ralph Rechtenberg | June 2, 2007 8:06 AM

Some readers are unable to distinguish between legal and illegal immigration.

Compare:

You buy your neighbor's picnic table. Or, without your neighbor knowledge and agreement, you simply move it into your own backyard.

One fulfills the requirements of our laws - the other clearly does not. We are not permitted to simply remove a neighbor's picnic table to my property and claim it as my own.

Tell us: what is right about illegal immigration?

Ralph

Posted by: CnNS122 | June 2, 2007 8:23 AM

WJAY,
"Whether the law is fair and just is not the question, it's the law stupid."
Sounds like being in the sun is damaging your brain. Why do you think we have judges and lawyers? To interpret the law in the context of other laws and to seek the common good, I believe. Fairness and justice are something that law seeks to embody, so you cant simply dismiss them.

An ordinance about municipal identification cards for all city residents, is not a whole scale endorsement of illegal immigration. It is simply a city trying to work out the best way possible, given the federal government hand wringing and colusion around immigration, to provide a safer environment for all its residents of New Haven.

I take exception to the fear tactics of some people. The United States, and our own state of Connecticut, has a long history of anti-immigrant fevor. The No Nothing Party and their supporters were responsible for some horrific crimes against people. Some of the victims were probably our ancestors, assuming you are not a pure native American.

The Law is the Law mentality you seem to advocate, provides no room for interpretation, no room for mercy. That mentality can lead to destruction.

In Victor Hugo's work, Les Miserables, Jean Valjean did not take the life of Inspector Javert when he had a chance. Javert, who had pursued Valjean relentlessly for stealing bread to feed his family, alittle later in the story, allows Valjean to go free. (Valjean had reformed his life, assuming a new identity, he had become a productive member of society.) Inspector Javert's system collapsed, black and white, the law is the law. He could not understand mercy, pardon, and redemption, and with that he committed suicide.

There is something wrong with a way of living when we fail to see the need for mercy. Is not the law to protect people from excesses? Excessive penalty, hardship, and to protect life? Is not the law to embody fairness and justice?

Thank you the lawyers, judges, and others who follow a tradition of law based on the common good for all and mercy. The municipal identification cards are a good thing on so many levels and stand solidly in our best legal tradition.

Posted by: Bill F. | June 2, 2007 9:04 AM

Hello my name is Bill Farrel from SCtIR.
I am writing today in response to Alderman Shah and the Mayor's remarks. In lieu of a solid argument the "Left" as usual muddy the waters by bringing specious race based accusations.
In reference to the "Hate based flyers" I've read these "Controversial" documents, and the Mayor and the Alderman are playing fast and loose with the truth when they refer to them in this manner.
At the end of his laughable press conference, the Mayor expressed an interest in debating someone from our group. We certainly welcome the opportunity to do so! In fact, Jerry Kristafer from WELI said he'd be happy to both host and moderate such a debate for the entire three hours of his AM radio show on 960 WELI. Certainly the Mayor wouldn't be afraid of such a debate? With such 'Neaderthals' as ourselves and Destefano being so sure of his position on the I.D.; surely we would be easily dispatched! And finally, we are going to post the documents referred to by the Mayor at his press conference on our website. We invite all to view them and come to their own conclusions. Simply GOOGLE SCTIR. The media and our political opponents seem intent on hiding these documents from public view as they know that the documents would support our argument and expose them as liars.

Posted by: CT Lawyer | June 3, 2007 4:43 PM

3/5ths,

Like all of us, you are within your rights to stand on the rooftop and yell out whatever crazy ideas you may have, thus you are certainly within your rights to call the federal government to report on your neighbors.

However, I am particularly surprised by your apparent desire to play such a role. I would have thought that within your vast historical knowledge there would be an understanding of COINTELPRO and similar attacks launched by both federal and state government on the backs of those speaking out for the oppressed. Here in New Haven, and across the country, the systematic police surveillance and use of paid informants to create internal organizational strife within the Panthers and other more "mainstream" activist groups had tragic consequences. The history of citizens reporting on their neighbors is not a proud one in this country and one that has consistently led to the undermining of social justice.

Further, I don't know how you personally would identify which of your neighbors is undocumented. Do you plan to ask them? Are you going to assume that everyone with brown skin is undocumented? Will you be engaging in racial profiling? These all seem to be contrary to everything you typically stand for on this site.

That people from countries whose economies and politics have been effected dramatically by the US believe they must immigrate here to feed their families or to escape political persecution, whether those countries are Mexico, Haiti, Guatemala, Liberia, or El Salvador, again should not be surprising given your apparent world view. I am truly interested in why you have so dramatically changed your stripes on this one issue.

Posted by: cedarhillresident | June 3, 2007 7:48 PM

Bill I went to your site...I started to read it and got a very sick feeling it kind of reminded me of a white supremacies site. I have friends on both sides of the line. And I understand and agree with both sides. So when it comes to that you have to go to what does your humanity say is right.

And I am made at everyone that keeps referring to this as a Mexican thing! Almost everyone that I know in this situation are NOT Mexican. So how is this conspiracy with the Mexicans?? I know people from South America and Haiti.

Will you shave your heads for the debate??
Please, although I would love to see Johnny debate this I would be more disappointed in him if he did.
I hope that the day comes when you will see how sad your commentary and behavior is.

It is one thing to disagree on an intelligent level but you have far exceeded that and have just shown hate for a people.

Posted by: CNNS122 | June 3, 2007 8:22 PM

Bill,
I concur with cedarhillresident, that is one scary site.

You offer very little of substance. But I suspect that is all you can offer. So thanks for that atleast.

You and Ted do more harm to your side than help it. So keep yapping, keep trying to shout over people in press conferences, keep distributing your hate-filled propaganda, and keep making everyone else look reasonable and level headed.

I gained a few pounds, so at the bars I stand next to my buddy who is really big, that way I look skinny to the women. The same can be said for you and your group. Come on out, stand on the front steps of city hall, you will make these appreciative, hardworking, family oriented immigrants look great. You will also shame your ancestors.

Thanks Bill for offering so little to this debate. Keep up the great work.

Posted by: TREEFIFTHS | June 4, 2007 5:24 PM

Ct Lawyer
You Need To Read My Post I Stated That I Am Against This Because It Is About Under Cuting Labor In This Country!! This Is a Fact Not Fiction
Look Around The Country And Ask You Self Why Is The Unions Against This Immigration Bill. Again
Google In Super Highway And Let Me Know What You Think And Then Tell The American Trucks why Are They Going To Be Put Off The Roads And Replaced By
Mexican Drivers Who Will Be Driving For Low Wages.
You Are A Lawyer Read That Barbara Ehrenrecih Colum CEO VS SLAVES And You Will See That Your Line Of Work Is Now On The Choping Block
To Be Outsourced.You Talked About My Vast Historical Knowledge Of Cointelpro Yes I Know About It Because My Grandmother Was A Victim Of It
She Was Born 1900 And Worked For Marcus Garvey,Carlos Cooks and Paul Robeson, So I Know
Very Well About Cointelpro But What Does That Have To Do With Under Cuting Labor. You asked If I Would Be Engaging In Racial Profiling. I Said
If I Suspect Illegal Unlawful Activity Yes I Would
Call The Police. That Is Not Racial Profiling But
Would You Call This Racial Profiling Did You Know That In California That The Mexican Mafia Has Given Out Orders To Kill African American On Site
Go To SPLCENTER.COM And Look It Up. I Have Not Heard From Mexican Leaders To Speak On This. Where
Was The Mexican Leadership At When There President
Vicente Fox said That Mexicans Do Jobs That Black Americans want Do In The United States, Also How About The Racist Mexico Postage Stamp Which Showed
African American As Monkeys And In Black Face!!!
I Heard Nothing From The Mexican Leaders To Speak
Up About This.Ct Lawyer You Speak About How These
People Come Here Because There Economies And Politics Have Effected Them Dramatically. If This Is The Case Then How Come King John And Kica
Matos Cut A Deal With Bank Of American To Have Bank Accounts For The Immigrants But This is The Same Bank Of American That Used Exploited African
American Slave Labor To Make a Profit Ct. Lawyer
Do Not You Find This Insulting To The African Amercan Community? Last As Far As Dramatically Changed Stripes On This One Issue I Have Always Said That This Is About Labor And I Will Always Fight For Fair Labor And Wages Because as A African Amercan In This Country When It Comes To Jobs We Are Last Hired And First Fired And With This Movement OF Outsourceing And The Attack by The Corporatist On The Labor Movement I Think CT.
Lawyer You Need To Change Your Stripes.

Posted by: CT Lawyer | June 4, 2007 7:01 PM

3/5ths,

I think you will find that many labor unions (SEIU, HERE, etc.) are really pushing for immigration reform which would create a path to citizenship because the ability to organize this labor force is fundamental to ensuring that it is not used by corporations to undercut labor rights here.

I don't find this offensive to African-Americans because I think that oppressed groups need to stick together and not be used to tear each other down.

Your point about the serious problems particularly in LA regarding criminal gangs is interesting but not particularly relevant to a community which has seen no such activity. To paint an entire ethnic group as a result of the actions of criminals (many of whom are US citizens) is so out of bounds that I don't know how to react.

As to whether Vincente Fox once said something that could be interpreted as racist and thus we should not support immigrants, I gotta believe you would not want to be judged by either the words or actions of President Bush. Has the average Iraqi now living as a refugee heard from you or me about the devastation unleashed for a lie on their people by the president of our country. I have no idea whether some Mexican Americans have spoken out about Fox's comments, and I doubt whether you do either. I do know that plenty of Latino activists (see Cesar Chavez or Raul Yzaguirre) have spoken of their solidarity with African-Americans.

As to whether or not American banks have been complicit in the exploitation of people of color here in the US or in the Third World, both today and throughout history, of course they have been. But if the city is trying to cut crime by getting immigrants to use banks instead of holding large sums of cash, then what does this have at all to do with this history of exploitation.

And of course you know that there are hundreds of monuments to the klan and the confederacy throughout the US. The simple fact that a postage stamp was racist does not really have anything to do with immigrants in New Haven. Any more than these racist monuments erected by governments in this country speak for you or for me.

Posted by: Joey Pickles | June 4, 2007 11:14 PM

Be honest, if Sweden was our southern neighbor it would not be a problem. Lets stop being racists.

Posted by: DAFeder | June 5, 2007 12:37 PM

I have two admissions to make, and though it may get me into trouble, I think it is important to establish certain facts before I apply for my New Haven ID card:

1) I have crossed the US border at Tijuana carrying more than my legal allotment of tequila.

2) My family immigrated to this country under false -- and therefore illegal -- pretenses, including claiming family members who were not actually related and entering the US through Canada. Having known some of them, I am certain that they would also have happily burrowed under fences or swum rivers to enter this country illegally. If they hadn't had to cross the Atlantic a hundred years ago, that is.

Good American citizens are made, not born. The question is, can the ID card program help make good citizens? Because it's going to take a whole lot of good citizen activism to re-balance our economy to protect the kind of jobs THREEFIFTHS is worried about.

David

Posted by: on whalley | June 5, 2007 2:59 PM

Pickels, you cant be serious? Canada is to the North and the border is just as porous if not more so. The millenium bomber got through the Northern border. This joker with TB who was actively being sought after got through the Northern border.

The only racism that exists in the desire to control the borders is in the heads of people like you who I am sure blame every single thing in life on racism.

Ever hear of the boy who cried wolf? Keep saying stupid things like "if Sweeden was our neighbor this wouldnt be happening" and genuine racial discrimination will be ignored.

You know who Ramos and Compean are? I suppose theyre just self-hating hispanics? Maybe just working for 'whitey' to get out of their indentured servitude? Really white people in 'brownface'?

Posted by: THREEFIFTHS | June 5, 2007 4:34 PM

Ct. Lawyer
The Labor Unions That You Are Talking About Are Surporters Of King John. Also The Union Unite Here Are Surporters Of The War Lord Joe Lieberman.
This Is Why I Do Not Trust Unions In This State.
You Also Said That Oppressed Groups Need To Stick
Together That Is My Point Why Would You Use A Bank
Or Institution That Made Profits Off The Backs Of
African Americans During The Slave Trade.This Is Like Crossing A Picket Line You Must Be A Corporatist Lawyer Who Has Stock In These Institution. My Question Was How Come The Mexican
Leadership Did Not Speak up About the Racist Remarks That Vincente Fox Said And The Racist Postage Stamps Ct. Lawyer Did You See Them I Did!!
By The Way There Are African American Groups Who
Are Figthing In The South To Ban The Flying Of The
Confederacy Flag. But I Guess You Do Not Find That Offensive To African American.Even Mahatma Gandhi Refused To By Clothing And Goods From The British, Dr. King Said Silence Is Betrayal and The Hots Parts Of Hell Will Be For Those Who Do Nothing!! How about Darfar I Guess Ct. Lawyer
Would You Invest? I Happen To Be The Point Man
Here In This State Under the Leadership Of A African American Woman The Mother Of The Reparations Movement Deadri Farmer Paellman. And You State That What Does This Have To Do With the History Of Expoitation. Go Back To What Dr. King Said. If You Stand By Your Statement That
Oppressed Groups Need To Stick Together Than Why
Can They Use Another Bank And There a Plenty Of Banks Who Do Not Have Ties To The Slave Trade.

Posted by: Wesley Franklin | June 12, 2007 12:00 AM

Food For Thought: National Security
Senator Mc Caul's 10th District Texas Website
Page 29 Iraq's Learning Spanish!
"A LINE IN THE SAND CONFRONTING THE THREAT AT THE SOUTHWEST BORDER"