Fair Haven Dems Vote On Whether To Vote

by Allan Appel | July 18, 2007 9:06 AM | | Comments (6)

14th%20ward%20002.JPGA seemingly noncontroversial planned experiment in instant-runoff voting descended into confusion and bickering as Fair Haven Democrats met to nominate candidates.

Tuesday night’s meeting of the 14th Ward Democratic Ward Committee drew an impressive 40 out of 50 members to the Fair Haven Library to vote for the ward’s choices for alderman, clerk, and mayor.

Alderwoman Erin Sturgis-Pascale and ward co-chairs Rafael Ramos and Joan Forte (pictured) hoped to use the occasion to introduce a system for choosing candidates, instant run-off voting (IRV), in the choice for mayor.

In IRV voting, Sturgis-Pascale explained, you vote for a first, second, and third choice for each position. Or if you want only one candidate, you can enter his or her name three times, as all your choices. If someone doesn’t get a majority, 51 percent, in the first round, the second choices are then tallied, and then the third, if necessary, until someone wins by majority.

“IRV eliminates to a great extent,” she said, “the spoiler effect, of the kind, for example, that some people said [Ralph] Nader exercised in the Gore vs. Bush election of 2000.”

“Closer to home,” said Forte, “Erin was very concerned that the elections be as democratic as possible because of what happened at the last election here in the ward.”

14th%20ward%20005.JPGIn that tussle, in November, Sturgis-Pascale was running against Evelyn Vargas and a third candidate, Stephanie Bauer, to fill the seat of Alderman Joe Jolly, who had resigned to go to law school.

“Many people,” explained Sturgis-Pascale, “were concerned that Evelyn, who did not have a lot of support in the committee, might win if Stephanie and I split the vote. That is, one of us would be the spoiler.

“So one of us had to drop out. I almost did it. But Stephanie was the one. With IRV, all comers can run and stay in the election and people can really vote their values and candidate and not be worried about this spoiler thing. It’s just fairer.”

14th%20ward%20006.JPGRafael Ramos said that with three candidates running for mayor as Democrats, John DeStefano, Willie Greene, and Jim Newton, IRV could nicely kick in. Before the explanation could proceed, however, Heather Findlay (pictured) said she did not know much about Greene and Newton and would like to learn more before she voted. Julia Suggs, sitting over her right shoulder, also asked if her candidate, Gary Jenkins, who ran for mayor two years ago and apparently may run again, could address the committee before the vote.

“The problem,” replied Ramos, “is that we need to vote today, Friday at the latest, in order to get our recommendations to the full Democratic Town Committee that meets next week.”

“But you all didn’t tell me that,” said Suggs, who was recruited to join the committee by Forte. “It’s not right.”

“Also,” said Findlay, “I just got notice of this meeting two days ago.”

“Look,” replied Ramos, who was supported in this position by Sturgis-Pascale and others, “if Gary Jenkins or Willie Greene or Jim Newton wanted to be here, like the mayor is going to be here, all they had to do was call me or Joan. They know us. We’re the votes. It’s up to them to take the initiative to come here.”

“The mayor called me,” said Sturgis Pascale, “and asked if he could address you.”

Then there was extended discussion about the committee members having insufficient notice of the meeting. Forte had done her mailings, she said, in sufficient time, and notice of the afternoon’s meeting was printed in the Register.

14th%20ward%20004.JPG“Look, folks,” said longtime committee member Fran Goekler-Morneau (shown signing in here with Matthew Long), “people who join this committee should take some initiative to educate themselves about candidates and the process.”

“Oh no,” said Suggs, “Joan never told me when I called that the town meeting was coming up so soon. Had she, I would have called Gary. He wants to run as an independent. He would have come. She should have told me that’s the way it works. I’ll know, next time.”

14th%20ward%20008.JPGAs the conversation grew more fractious and frustrating, though never uncivil, Crystal Manning implored participants to take a vote on whether they should take a vote.

“Anyway, ” said Ramos, “as you know, the votes we take here are, technically, not binding. It’s your recommendation. “

Heather Findlay said she’d still like to have time to learn more about Greene and Newton. Just as she was saying so, as if on dramatic cue, the mayor entered.

14th%20ward%20007.JPGHe made his usual informed stump performance. He spoke of how 95 percent of city kids are doing well, 1,000 high school graduated, and the city’s focus on the 5 percent of kids, increasingly young, African-American, and already involved with the justice system, who are causing the most violence. He gave special emphasis to Fair Haven issues, praising the new incoming principal at Fair Haven Middle School, who taught the mayor’s own kids at Nathan Hale School in Morris Cove. He outlined his youth anti-crime initiatives, the newly launched Street Outreach Workers program, and said he was particularly concerned with the eight out of ten captain jobs, and the ten of 21 lieutenant positions unfilled in the NHPD.

“In addition to all the other things we are doing, and the recruiting of new officers, I’m really focusing on mid-level management; that, along with all we’re doing with families and parents will turn this problem around.”

He briefly talked about traffic calming, mentioning Quinnipiac Avenue and the new speed problems being addressed at River Street. Crystal Manning said in the light of an accident at Maltby and Chatham, she feels she can hardly let her daughter walk outside on the front yard alone.

“We’re doing what we can,” replied the mayor. “Back in 2000 we had four traffic fatalities on Frontage Road. We redesigned that intersection; it looks odd, but it works. So design can do something. I’m also a fan of cameras, ” he said. “Believe me, it’d be a good thing if we put cameras at, say, the corner of Ferry and Grand. But then it becomes a state issue because we can’t use the information, for privacy reasons, in prosecution. We need to work with the state on this, and also longer sentences for gun possession, and on more numerous and more vigorous prosecutions. We’re working on all fronts. Things will get better, not overnight, because the problems didn’t start over night. But it will happen.

“If we don’t take these steps both in tough community policing and reaching out to these 200 kids who are committing crimes and running stop signs and hurting people,” he said ominously, “younger criminals, post-parole criminals will turn into the organized gangs that we had. We’re not there, fortunately.”

It appeared that Sturgis-Pascale was so upset with the bickering among committee members about, in her phrase, “why we are here,” that she didn’t pursue another topic she had hoped to raise in front of the mayor — her traffic-calming crusade. She wanted to raise it, she said, out of frustration with an inadequate municipal response in Fair Haven on this issue.

14th%20ward%20009.JPGAfter the mayor left, Manning’s motion to vote on whether to vote passed by voice vote. What with departures from the meeting before the ballots were cast, only 21 votes were cast. It turned out that the next steps, IRV-wise, did not have to be taken because DeStefano took a majority in the first round. The tally was 17 first choices for DeStefano, one for Newton and Greene each, and two for Gary Jenkins. Newton, DeStefano, and Greene each got one vote as second and third choices as well.

Suggs said she was a little upset, but still pleased she was involved in the process. turgis-Pascale said, “We didn’t need IRV because John won on the first go-round, but I couldn’t even explain IRV. We always get bogged down here in these kinds of things.”

And Crystal Manning seemed to sum up: “Look, this is all so poorly managed. Yes, the voting is for a recommendation only. But look at the timing. Why do they have to do this right before the town meeting? People walked out of here and were angry and didn’t vote. But I will. What’s important about this group is that it builds community, or it should, regardless of the candidates. That’s what’s important. You don’t want people feeling disenfranchised from the process.”

At Thursday’s Democratic convention, 60 people, the two representatives from each of the 30 wards, will nominate a mayoral and city clerk candidate based on such non-binding “recommendations” as Fair Haven’s. Unopposed, Sturgis Pascale will apparently be the Democratic candidate for the 14th ward. Whether IRV will win out is still undecided.







Comments

Posted by: Taxed To Death | July 18, 2007 10:24 AM

What a great story...now we know how crooked and cooked the Democrat elections can be. Call an instant meeting, drag it out so people leave and the mayor and his cronies get the nod. Nice work.
Oh...and of course, nobody was there to challenge the mayor on his estimation that 95% of the kids are doing well. Really..we have failing schools under no child left behind; we graduate only 65% of the kids in high school...you call that doing well? Of course, that's not important.....just gives Sturgis-Pascale and the other NH BOA robots an excuse to raise taxes, and never solve a problem.

Posted by: Clay Shentrup | July 18, 2007 1:01 PM

These folks could have had a better and simpler election by just voting as normal, but changing the rule from "vote for one" to "vote for one or more". It's called Approval Voting, and is simpler and objectively superior to Instant Runoff Voting.

See social utility efficiency figures calculated by a Princeton math Ph.D. to prove it:

http://RangeVoting.org/vsi.html

Posted by: Ward 14 member | July 18, 2007 1:14 PM

As a member of the 14th Ward Committee and an attendee at last night's meeting I would like to address the comment that we should educate ourselves. While I absolutely agree and would have like to have that opportunity, time constraints did not allow for that given the short notice some got for this meeting.

And the comments from Alderwoman Sturgis-Pasquale that this is our primary and really only role as a committee member may be true, but what I also heard alot of last night was that we, as Committee members, are not clear on our role. Maybe the Alder and the 2 chair people should get together and create a description so people really know what is going on.

There seems to be a lot of confusion at the top which is trickling its way to the Committee as a whole. I hope this meeting was a lesson for all. We are a GREAT communtiy and as the participation shows want to be involved, but we need the information to participate effectively!

Posted by: Tgunn | July 18, 2007 1:34 PM

This is a total shame. It only supports the point that we don't have a Democratic Town Committee, just a DeStefano Town Committee. Any candidate supported by this group is already a given. It will say John won. Has anybody seen one open debate called for yet. Everybody says don't knock the administration, but when it has been entrenched for 14 years, and run the city into a fiscal nightmare, how can you avoid calling them a disaster. That's like saying don't talk about the war during the presidential election, if you do your just bashing and making no points. Get a debate...let people ask questions. This is horible and the State Election Committee should look into this one. Remember folks the city must run a balanced budget, which has not happenmed now for two years. Doing the math, expect the budget to increase by about $20,000,000 next year, so your house value will increase whle the market drops and your taxes will increase another 8% to 12%. We need a change to start working on that mess. Funny we get a letter about the Resident ID card from the Mayor, but when it coomes to anyhthing they don't want people to know about they hide it in the register. Maybe NHI should have been notified. I think more people read it.

Posted by: FairHavenRes | July 18, 2007 4:20 PM

Just by the pictures, it looked like a pretty much white gathering. Hmmm?

Nice new buildings for the schools, same old same old stuff going on. 65% graduation rate. That is like saying crime is down, but shootings are up.

Nice situation with the NHPD too. There are 80% unfilfulled Captain positions and near 50% of the Lieut's positions empty! Thanks Chief Ortiz and Mayor Destafano.

Our democratic party is in disarray and filled with cronies of the mayor, particularly city employees. New Haven Democract Vice Chair Reyes gave $1000 to the Republican Congressional Caucus, as reported in the NH Advocate. Goofy, no? She explains it as a mistake. I think she should be called on the carpet and replaced, regardless of her position with La Voz hispanic paper.

So go head, fool around with the primaries, that will further remove people from the process.

Posted by: live in fair haven | July 19, 2007 10:12 AM

Well as usual everyone has plenty to say and when the time comes for the election where is this committee. As a whole the committee should work together and stop all always asking for another date to vote. This is the second time there were disagreements when we need a vote and this is not a job to know what your duties are

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