New Haven Independent

Posted by: lance | April 7, 2009 4:55 PM

terrible. the jeep was probably stolen too, many 12 year olds in new haven can defeat a jeep ignition system.

But you better make sure you give them good digs and good food in lockup, because some yale law student is out there ready to sue if you don't.

And it's too bad we didn't pump MORE money into the welfare system over the years, these felons would have been productive members of society. You know, like a scientist or a doctor or something. lol I hope the dude from lombard st has insurance.

Posted by: norton street | April 7, 2009 5:00 PM

"lol i hope the dude from lombard st has insurance"
i think what you meant to say was, i hope both people in the hyundai are alright and recover completely and quickly.

cars just gotta go. id like to see someone use a city bus or trolley as an escape vehicle. police were being used to redirect traffic???? c'mon,if you dont live within walking or biking distance of your job then move, this is getting ridiculous.

Posted by: anon | April 7, 2009 5:12 PM

Horrible! Prayers go out to the innocent bystanders in this whole thing, who are probably going through the worst day of their life right now in one of the city's hospitals.

If found guilty of a violent vehicular crime, the SUV driver should be locked up for 50 years, without parole.

Posted by: JM | April 7, 2009 5:14 PM

Jesus, Lance. Got much of an axe to grind there? Maybe you can figure out a way to blame the public school systems, too.

Posted by: lance | April 7, 2009 7:39 PM

of course I hope the folks in the hyundai are ok, but it looks like they got hurt pretty bad....if they didn't have insurance they're screwed.

Inevitably some lawyer out there will try to blame the cops and sue the city though.

My guess is the thugs have multiple kids somewhere collecting welfare. so now I get to pay for that, and pay to incarcerate these guys, pay for a specal public defender for at least one of them, pay all of the thugs medical bills. Same old crap facilitated by the liberals.

And this guy's kids will have four kids, and statistics show they'll likely be in the criminal justice system and/or collecting entitlements.

And the funny part is I'M the bad guy or being pissed of about it.

You thing pumping more "stimulus money" in the hood is going to change it? I don't.

Posted by: jackie | April 7, 2009 7:55 PM

i hope the innocent victims recovery handily and get a nice check from the jeep driver's insurance company (if he has one...)

aw, lance, you're just jealous. and completely inappropriate, i might add.

Posted by: Alex | April 7, 2009 8:04 PM

Lance you have been putting some very crude comments up lately. You really need to examine yourself first.

A lot of people thought it was a dumb idea to put a high school in the middle of downtown - a lot of bad traffic and crime incidents on College and Crown. Also the beginning of the article is incorrect. It happened at College & Crown.
[Ed. -- Thanks for catching that typo.]

Posted by: Steve Ross, Human | April 7, 2009 9:35 PM

Lance,

Is vomiting noxious tripe over web-boards what it takes to be a productive member of society?

Posted by: fedupwithliberals | April 8, 2009 5:11 AM

What, no complaints about police pursuit? Where are all the good liberals?

Posted by: Bill | April 8, 2009 8:22 AM

I don't understand why banks don't have any security. When I used a bank in Italy, I had to go through a metal detector and there was a security guard.

Posted by: fedupwithliberals | April 8, 2009 8:58 AM

BILL

"I don't understand why banks don't have any security"

Called FDIC. No need for security when Barney Frank insures your deposits and banks against loss.

Posted by: Bruce | April 8, 2009 9:51 AM

Lance, what the hell are you talking about? You are losing your grip. Hold it together, man!

Posted by: Fed Up With Idiots | April 8, 2009 10:09 AM

OOh! A Horrible Car Accident - What a perfect forum for sharing my painfully out of touch ideology with other caring citizens like myself. Ok, here I go:

First of all we need a new president, if Bush were still in office something like this would never happen. We all know he was tough on crime and soft on intelligence. He would have executed the suspects as well as the victims of the car accident, just to make it seem like he was reaching across the aisle.

Second, we need to retreat from this socialist fog we are living in. I mean, they want us to register our cars, pay for police officers, schools and hospitals, cough off tax money every year for property. Where does it end.

Wake up sheeple! This is Anarcho-Socialist Communism at work here.

Posted by: lance | April 8, 2009 10:41 AM

My apologies.....perhaps I should have framed my response to this terrible incident in a way more acceptable to the New Haven Independent community. Let me try again.....

I wonder how we as a society have failed these offenders, and what can we do in the future to prevent it?

Posted by: Wicked Lester | April 8, 2009 12:14 PM

This idiot led police on a chase because of a bad check? Probably had warrants or other things to hide. Yet another example of the decline of Western civilization.

Posted by: branfordrules | April 8, 2009 12:31 PM

Lance,

Stop trying to paint the hundreds of people who read these stories as caricatures in your puppet-theater of Right and Left and voice your concerns with at least a modicum of critical thought. Your shallow ideological conceptions are spoon fed to you by a propaganda machine and you regurgitate it in such an obvious manner that it makes liberals, conservatives, anarchists, and totalitarians alike all wince.

We all pay taxes. We all despise crime in our streets, in front of our homes. We all hope that we can engineer some promise for the future, whoever it's populated by.

But you are the one who is being vitriolic, simplistic and wholly counterproductive. With human lives in the balance, you've sunk to the basest low.

Posted by: Steve Ross=Branfordrules | April 8, 2009 12:37 PM

Sorry, Lance, I might have posted under a pseudonym previously. I just wanted to give you the benefit of knowing whose skin you've squirmed under.

xoxo

Posted by: norton street | April 8, 2009 1:50 PM

the most subsidized lifestlye in the world is the suburban one. the urban setting is the normal living arrangement for humans. even the country is necessary in order for produce to get into the cities, but the suburb is the inbred seed of the city and country. it is the cause of all the problems in society, economically, culturally, everything.

Posted by: Borist | April 8, 2009 3:14 PM

Lance your right on the money again,dont listen to these liberals they dont want to here the truth,keep it up and by the way rememmber the pickels days.

Posted by: tom | April 8, 2009 5:23 PM

LANCE for MAYOR.........lets get a big basket in the center of the green... all the fruit cakes can jump in it, then we can wrap it up and sell it on Easter..

Posted by: lance | April 8, 2009 6:00 PM

borist, you're killing me man :) I'd kill to go back to those days. You gotta fill me in on who you are some time.....

And Steve, I think for myself based upon what I've seen being out there in the field. I'd venture to guess the closest you ever got to the hood was the time you drove by La Luna on latin night (which is sunday btw, for you birkenstock footed, beret wearing, suburban cheese nibblers that are looking to conduct some "field studies" but are afraid to park your hybrid in New Haven at night) lol

And right on cue Hamden PD had a guy take off on them who later crashed and died. He hurt an innocent lady pretty bad. There were kids in her car as well. And wait until you see the specs on THAT guy.

And what is the take of Obama and his ilk on the crime problem? I'll quote it for you...verbatim.

"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three strikes law and then wants us to sing 'God bless America,' No, no, no, not 'God bless America,' God damn America -- that's in the Bible, you're killing innocent people, God damn America for treating us citizens as less than human"

In other words, you elected a president who is of the position that both of these recent crimes is whitey's fault. And his cure for the crime problem is rip money from the pockets of "them greedy white folk" and giving it out to "poor" through entitlements and "affirmative action driven stimulus jobs.

Put that in your vaporizer and smoke it.

Posted by: Joe | April 8, 2009 6:29 PM

Cities are dead. Except for the down and out and of course Liberals....

http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2009/04/07/business/doc49db228b9e645735312292.txt

Posted by: William Kurtz | April 8, 2009 9:17 PM

You know Norton Street, I usually admire your pluck and your youthful enthusiasm, but I think you're reaching a little here. All the problems of society?

Anyway hunting and gathering is the normal lifestyle for humans.

Posted by: Streever | April 9, 2009 9:22 AM

Lance,
you are really a nutty dude. And, don't assume too much based on Steve Ross' pseudonym. He's a good young man & has more experience in the "hood" than you think.

Lance in all honesty, I think you should look into professional help. You're obsessed man, you just gotta get free of that demon. Peace.

Posted by: Bruce | April 9, 2009 10:12 AM

Lance: Take a breath and relax. This story is about a criminal who ran from the cops and crashed into a car. It is not about socialism or stimulus money. This sort of thing happens everywhere under every administration and under every form of government. However, you are seizing the opportunity to jump on your soapbox and change the subject to something you'd rather talk about. If this was about crime trends, or failed rehabilitation efforts then you might have a point. But that's not what the story is about.

The narrow "our team vs. their team" world view really just stops any real debate in its tracks. How do you expect to learn anything, or were you born knowing everything you need to know? I enjoy hearing opinions from people like you and from time to time I get something out of it.

(BTW: Obama never said those ridiculous things. Also, the stimulus and bank socialization started under George W. Bush. You might want to brush up on the facts before getting your campaign moving.)

FEDUP: there was no indication of a car chase so this is a moot point. However, since you brought it up, do you think it would have been worth it to catch a criminal if your mother or bay died in an accident caused by that chase? For a fraudulent check? I don't. This is not a liberal/conservative issue. It is a public safety issue.

Posted by: norton street | April 9, 2009 11:33 AM

william, a real city is based on hunting and gathering. people provide services for each other in a close knit community and everyone lives off each other. the suburbanites are like monkeys who come into your community everyday and steal your food then bring it back to their trees everynight and share with only their related family.

Posted by: lance | April 9, 2009 12:20 PM

Streever, I'm just breaking chops. And besides, just because he attended the Yale v. Howard at woosley hall doesn't make him "street".

And Bruce, you "said the narrow 'our team vs. their team' world view really just stops any real debate in its tracks."

I agree with you....but Obama doesn't. He's basically a junior black panther with a lot more tact. So sorry if I ain't feeling the love. And I wouldn't doubt if you yourself were pulling a keith moon on your anti-bush drum for eight years. I' sure you didn't pull any muscles reaching accross the aisle.

And as far as your Bush bailout comment, my personal opinion is that Bush met with obama, and offered up the first bailout at Obama's request in order to give barack hussein a head start on his plans. Either way, Bush is no longer in office. I certainly wasn't in favor of any bailouts. My people were poor as hell with no education and they weathered the depression without any handouts. I could too. Not to say it would have come own to that. It was merely Obama trying playing the fear card to get support. "Never waste a crisis" is the mantra of the radicals.

Finally the things I mentioned are pertinent to this story, because the crime problem is only going to get worse with a liberal approach.

Posted by: ParkStTaxPayer | April 9, 2009 12:24 PM

sometimes the comments under the stories are better than reading the Enquirer.

I hope the innocent victims of this crime are ok, and that they receive just compensation for their medical bills. I believe that's what Lance was trying to say.

As for the comment of: "c'mon,if you dont live within walking or biking distance of your job then move, this is getting ridiculous." by Norton Street -- The people in New Haven don't all live here; some actually do their shopping here! Remember those downtown stores? the universities? the museums and art galleries? car-centric culture is unfortunately pervasive now, but with the Safe Streets coalition and talk of new trolleys and other indicators of moving away from cars-only mentality, show we are changing our perception of cars as the only form of personal transportation.

Though I doubt the NHI would have as many readers if there weren't a comment option at the bottom of each article, sometimes the deliberate crapping-on (comments that bear no relation to the story at hand) of the articles really detract from the content of the article. Sometimes you need to pick your battles- you don't need to post a comment on EVERY article!

My grandfather is a man of few words. When he speaks, everyone listens, with rapt attention. It's not what you say, but When you say it!

Happy posting!

Posted by: lance | April 9, 2009 12:51 PM

I'm retired park street, I have nothing better to do. Although I suppose I COULD go volunteer at ACORN.

once fishing season starts for me and the defenders and rock cats start up I'll give it a rest. lol

Posted by: fedupwithliberals | April 9, 2009 1:15 PM

BRUCE

You liberals are truly humorless. It's called sarcasm. Started when the story stated "We started chasing him on foot," Harrison (pictured) said, when the suspect hopped into a Jeep Cherokee." Note the word "chase". Knowing the predictable kneejerk reaction your side displays, I had to post the obvious. Sorry.

And, you know what? If criminals knew there were sanctions for fleeing, they wouldn't try as boldly as they do. Sort of lends itself to a lawless atmosphere. Sort of what you see in New Haven everyday.

Posted by: DingDong | April 9, 2009 1:39 PM

Lance,

People like you help me feel like a self-righteous liberal. I appreciate it. I feel entirely safe ignoring the toxic, redneck hate that you are and represent. No need to reach across the aisle: you're irrelevant. Keep posting away...

Posted by: Bruce | April 9, 2009 1:51 PM

FEDUP: I don't consider myself a "liberal". Either way, is it worth losing a family member for a forged check? You didn't answer the question.

Lance: Don't confuse me with an Obama band-wagoneer, though you are right I was not a fan of li'l bush. I vote all over the board in every election. The "aisle", in my opinion, is a twisty pretzel of a path.

Posted by: lance | April 9, 2009 6:14 PM

dingdong, sorry if I have these crazy ideas that people should work for what they get and be self sufficient and stuff, and that no race should get preferential treatment. Audacious, aren't I?

And thanks for the clarification Bruce.

pursuits are a weird thing though. I once chased a car into nh, and the dude wiped out on the state street exit. I pinned him in and ran up to the car. he was still trying to get the car free when I ripped him out and ko'ed him when he tried to fight/resist. the passenger tried the same shit and I ko'ed him too.

two years later one of the same men was in a car, they had just ripped off a weed whacker and another chase ensued. the passenger in the getaway car yanked the wheel forcing the driver to pull over, and they got caught. the driver was pissed at the passenger but the passenger said to him that the last time he ran from the cops he got his ass whipped by me and he wasn't in the mood to have it happen again.

about a year later that same kid rear ended another car and when I showed up to do the accident the kid thought he was screwed. but I hooked him up because he was a man about the first incident. he knew he was wrong that time, took his medicine, and didn't say a word about it. No Norm Pattis, no John R. Wiliams..none of that crap. And for the record, I used only the force necessary to effect the arrest, in accordance with all pertinent state statutes, federal law, and department policy.

the police car is like a skiner box on wheels sometimes.

And happy easter dingong, enjoy your tofu turkey.

Posted by: fedupwithliberals | April 10, 2009 6:11 AM

BRUCE

"Either way, is it worth losing a family member for a forged check? You didn't answer the question"

It was a foot chase, Bruce! A FOOT CHASE!! What the hell are police supposed to do now? Arrive at the scene and pop out their beach chairs to take the complaint? Why even bother having police arrive at a scene now? Just use the phone to document the crime like they do with stolen cars.

This perp hopped in his car and sped off. Where is his liability? When the hell are we going to start blaming the appropriate parties for their actions which lead to these types of consequences?

Posted by: Bruce | April 13, 2009 9:32 AM

FEDUP, I think you must have misunderstood me. Please read my original post. I said the point was moot because there was no indication of a car chase. Of course I expect officers to chase criminals on foot and, within reason, by car. You are the one who poked fun at "liberals" for opposing police chases so I was simply responding by saying that there is a good reason NOT to engage in a car chase. Again, moot point in this case. The police seem to have behaved completely appropriately.