Solution Elusive For Deadly Intersection
by Leonard J. Honeyman | August 14, 2009 8:00 AM | Permalink | Comments (8)
You can’t turn left from West Elm Street onto Forest Road without taking your life in your hands, neighbors and government officials agree. They can’t agree on what to do about it.
Trying to drive across Forest Road from West Elm into his own driveway cost beloved Westville resident Jerry Gross his life last year.
Since then, Westville neighbors and city and state officials have searched for ways to make the curving, fast-moving intersection safer for drivers, bikers and pedestrians.
Doing so has presented its own set of problems, a veritable “Catch 22,” according to a state spokesman. He said that whatever you do to try to solve the safety riddle may in reality make the stretch of road more deadly, or at least less convenient for those who live and travel there.
The problem is that West Elm Street enters Forest Road in the middle of a curve. You can’t see traffic coming at you from the left until you are well out into the road. Even taking a right turn means you have to look practically over your shoulder to see if the coast is clear.
West Elm Street is a city street. Forest Road is a numbered state highway. That divergence of authority hasn’t helped.
Everyone involved — the state, the city, residents and those who use the intersection — agree something must be done. They are so frustrated that they say anything is better than current conditions.
But after taking the pulse of the neighbors, the city is going back to the drawing board “to take a pause here and look at the data in a little more detail,” according to the city’s traffic czar, Michael Piscitelli.
Driver error causes 98 percent of the 80,000 car crashes that occur in the state each year, said Kevin Nursick, the spokesman for the state Department of Transportation. If people were to obey the speed limit on Forest Road, the problem would mostly go away, he said.
Having said that, the road configuration, a downhill and a curve as it meets West Elm Street, makes at least two of the suggested solutions potentially dangerous, according to Nursick.
“If you put in a stop sign or traffic light, there isn’t enough space for drivers to stop before hitting a queue of cars standing at that sign or light,” he said. A car coming over the hill going north on Forest Road could rear-end the last of the line of stopped cars, so the cure would be worse than the disease, he said.
In addition, a three-year state study done from January 2005 through December 2007 counted only four angle accidents at that intersection, Nursick said. An angle accident happens when the front of one car hits the side of another. Neighbors said that’s probably accurate, but it doesn’t count the near misses.
A recent state traffic study, done this spring at the request of the city, showed only 9,900 cars a day traveled through that intersection, below the minimum traffic flow required for a stop sign or traffic light, he said. To put that in context, interstate highways get about 200,000 cars a day.
“We would not build a road that way now,” but we’re stuck with the road as it is, Nursick said. Reconfiguring the road would be impossible because it would cost millions and would require taking people’s property, probably with the use of eminent domain, something the state would not do, Nursick said. According to a history of Route 122, the road was old when it was given its its present numerical designation in 1920.
The state’s recommendation is that the city make West Elm Street one-way eastbound, away from Forest Road, for the first block.
Piscitelli said he sent a letter to West Elm Street residents (including Charlie Fabian (pictured) from Forest Road to Yale Avenue asking their views of the one-way proposal. The result sent the city back to the drawing board, Piscitelli said in a telephone message Wednesday night.
“We did receive a number of comments from residents on the street there, and at the current time, it looks like we are going to put the one-way effort on hold until we do two things,” he said.
“The first is that we are going to reach out to the property owner with the large tree [at the southwest corner of West Elm and Forest] and see if there is something we can do to improve visibility. We also are going to reach back out to the [state] Department of Transportation to drill a little deeper into the numbers to see if there is a way forward there through other traffic-calming measures.”
State DOT spokesman Nursick said during telephone interviews earlier this month that the state would not consider installing speed-measuring signs because they tend to increase speed instead of decreasing it.
Rabbi Jon-Jay Tilsen and Miriam Benson, who live near the intersection, emphatically oppose the one-way proposal. Benson said she favors improving the sight lines by removing bushes and trees at the corner. Previously, Piscitelli said the city could not cut down the tree without permission from the property owner.
In a letter to Piscitelli last month, Tilsen argued the one-way proposal would be more dangerous than the present condition.
“The proposal would force me and other residents to use that deadly intersection in order to get home each, every time, with no alternative, and would incrementally increase traffic at that intersection inasmuch as cars that would otherwise take West Elm St. westbound to that last block of West Elm St. would now have to use Forest Rd.,” he wrote.
Tilsen also said children on bicycles, who city law says must ride the same way as traffic, would have to ride along Forest Road to get home from, say McKinley Avenue and West Elm Street.
He said he might be forced to move if traffic is made one-way. He said he would prefer banning a left from West Elm Street to Forest Road or even to close off the intersection altogether.
Benson, the West Elm block watch captain, said she would prefer police enforce the speed limits on Forest Road and West Elm Street, as well as removal of the bushes and trees.
The one-way proposal also doesn’t sit well with some of the neighbors, although some do favor it or the more extreme measure of blocking access to or from Forest Road altogether, an informal survey Monday found.
“I’m opposed to the one-way proposal,” said Charlie Fabian, a West Elm Street resident after returning home Monday afternoon. He said he favors the no-left-turn proposal.
“There is too much traffic on this road already and this would create even more,” he said. Fabian also said he would favor stopping truck traffic on Forest Road.
“They do it on the Merritt Parkway, don’t they?” Fabian said.
Traffic also was a concern for West Elm Street resident Jon Hemstock (pictured).
“People rip down this road,” cutting through from Forest Road to avoid the lights and backups at Forest Road and Fountain Street. He said he preferred blocking off the street altogether, but was against the one-way street plan.
“It would make sense to make it one way,” said West Elm resident Fred Stolzman, walking his dog, Henry, along his street.
“Cars come flying down this road,” he said. He will drive the few blocks to Edgewood Avenue and access Forest Road from that road,” he said. That intersection has a traffic light.
Austin Edwards, who lives on Forest Road but was riding his bike along West Elm to a neighborhood market, said he prefers the no left turn proposal.
Ruth Gross, the widow of the man who died after a crash at that corner, said she doesn’t support the one-way solution, but thinks the idea of closing off West Elm altogether has merit.
“That sounds the best and the safest,” she said of closing off the street. “That way, you don’t have to make a left turn onto West Elm Street across Forest Road, which is a problem,” she said. But, she said, “Anything would be better than what we now have.”
She said people obeying the speed limit on Forest Road would help a lot. The road is posted for 25 mph, but that is not obeyed. She said she sometimes shouts, “25mph” at cars that whiz by.
“It doesn’t help, but it makes me feel better,” she said.
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Posted by: streever | August 14, 2009 8:31 AM
Drop the speed limit to 15 and use a large, striped box in the middle of Forest Road that warns that you can't see traffic ahead. Maybe the curvy road sign?
I know that the DOT will be loathe to do anything not in the manual--And I understand why--but this ROAD is not in the manual, so it will require a more creative solution than typical signage.
Definitely the speed limit should be dropped. Whilst some people will always speed, the reality is a big sign saying 15 mph will make you feel a little awkward about doing 35. If it gets people down to 25 that may improve safety enough.
Posted by: Greg Dildine | August 14, 2009 9:24 AM
The neighbors should have input. Clearing the sight lines as best they can be cleared sounds like a must. A right-turn only from W. Elm to Forrest may help? Since speed on Forrest seems to be identified as a major issue for this intersection and others along Forrest, perhaps photo-enforcement should be further debated/considered? It seems to be working in MD. Local/county trials have led to state wide adoption. There are many issues to address before I would be in favor of this measure, but it seems to be worth studying some more.
What do folks think? Search "Montgomery County Speed Cameras" for some more info. You'll find pros and cons. Just another idea to ponder.
Safe Streets is the ultimate goal here. As I've talked to hundreds of neighbors recently campaigning for Alderman, many are truly concerned with speeding traffic through and around our neighborhood. It seems there is consensus to find and implement measures to slow down vehicles in and around residential neighborhoods. Please contact me via my website if you have ideas for making our neighborhood streets, "Safe Streets."
Posted by: Jay
| August 14, 2009 10:27 AM
If West Elm can be made into a cul- de -sac, that would be much safer. But that may require taking one of the houses at the end of the block to allow a turning circle to be constructed.
Short of a redesign of Forest Rd, which the state can't afford, I don't see another reasonable option.
Posted by: anon | August 14, 2009 11:18 AM
The entirety of Forest Road is completely unacceptable. It needs to be made into a comfortable and attractive route for pedestrians and cyclists, not just drivers. That means re-thinking the entire route from bottom up.
Posted by: AndersonScooper | August 14, 2009 4:38 PM
Either close off access to Forest Road and make West Elm into a cul-de-sac, or have the city/state buy 298 W. Elm and move the historic salt box.
But do something, as waiting for the next accident is truly nuts.
Posted by: JMS | August 15, 2009 12:26 AM
I like the cul-de-sac idea... eliminates the dangerous turn out onto Forest from West Elm and also eliminates cut-through traffic making for a quieter safer street for residents. Seems simple enough... just close off the end of the street... plant a few trees or something so it's nice... not just a jersey barrier.
JMS
Posted by: Fountain Resident | August 16, 2009 12:32 AM
If the state is going to address issues on Forest Rd. at West Elm, they had better also address issues at the Forest/Dayton/Fountain intersection further north. While the West Elm intersection is problematic (and lethal at least once) Forest Road and Fountain Street are both numbered state routes and their junction is a more substantial problem than the the West Elm intersection. Interestingly, at Forest/Fountain a simple adjustment in the timing of the traffic lights could greatly reduce the problems that have existed there for at least a decade.
Posted by: Bill | October 15, 2009 1:58 PM
About 15 years ago I was employed by DOT and had several conversations with the owner of the house/tree at the southwest corner. The owner was more than amenable to remove the large tree, which if i recall was at least partially on state property. Perhaps removal of the tree and extending the curbline out from West Elm at the area opposite the salt box which is not travel portion of RT 122 will alleviate the sightline difficulty but not resolve the speeding issue. I am frequently on this road and it is a dangerous situation. The constraints on the width of rt122 make it nearly impossible for police to pull speeders over, and you take your life in your hands backing out of or into and driveway on Forest Rd. Responsibility for the sightline rests with the city, geometric configuration with the state. Hopefully no more motorists will die before these entitys address the problem.
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