Lieberman Seeks “Withdrawal” Wiggle Room

by Paul Bass | December 2, 2009 1:29 PM | | Comments (17)

DSCN6568.JPGDSCN6599.JPGWashington, D.C. — At the dawn of a ramped-up war in Afghanistan, Joe Lieberman used a moment in the spotlight Wednesday to try to define the mission — as lasting well beyond mid-2011.

Lieberman’s moment lasted seven minutes, actually.

That was the Connecticut senator’s time to ask questions of the three architects of President Obama’s “surge” of 30,000 new U.S. troops he plans to send to war-torn Afghanistan.

Obama announced that plan in a nationally televised address Tuesday night. As part of that plan, Obama promised to begin “withdrawing” the troops in July 2011.

That didn’t sit well with Lieberman Wednesday, although he overall praised Obama’s decision to send new troops and re-declare war on the Taliban and al-Qaeda.

Obama dispatched Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Defense Secretary Robert Gates, and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Michael Mullen to a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing first thing Wednesday morning to answer lawmakers’ questions.

DSCN6586.JPGAs a senior member of that committee, Lieberman got to ask some of the first questions.

“This is an important meeting,” he said as he entered the first-floor hearing room in the Dirksen Senate Office Building and took his seat beside Committee Chairman Carl Levin (in photo).

Lieberman sits to Levin’s right. That puts him first in line among Democrats on the committee, after the chairman, to question witnesses. Though he became an independent in 2006, Lieberman caucuses with the Democrats. He is technically considered part of the party’s team when it comes time to take turns with the Republicans seated to Levin’s left in questioning witnesses.

In reality Wednesday morning, Lieberman ended up serving as the good cop in a tag team with the ranking Republican senator sitting directly to Levin’s left, John McCain (who warmly greeted Lieberman as “Joey” before the hearing began).

Levin and other Democrats used their turns as questioners to push for a commitment to send American troops home from Afghanistan as soon as possible and turn the war over to Afghans.

Lieberman and McCain, meanwhile, pressed Obama’s emissaries to send a different message to the world: American troops will remain on the ground past July. And a withdrawal might not happen at all if “conditions on the ground” warrant otherwise.

To send that message, the pair pressed Gates in particular to offer some wiggle room in how he defined the concepts of a deadline and of “beginning” a withdrawal.

DSCN6574.JPGMcCain (pictured in the hearing room) went first. He said Obama “made the right decision” by sending enough troops with a clear mission for a surge. Then he decried Obama’s decision to set an “arbitrary” date for withdrawing troops and handing responsibility for fighting the Taliban over to a rebuilt Afghan military.

McCain noted that Obama also said he will take “conditions on the ground” into account during that transition.

McCain called that message “logically incoherent.” And he argued that beginning a mission with an announced withdrawal date “makes no sense.” It emboldens “the enemy” and encourages them to wait us out, he argued.

McCain pressed Gates: Just how “hard” a “date” is July 2011? What if “conditions on the ground” look bleak, and withdrawing troops would mean failure rather than victory?

Gates’ response: The date marks the “beginning of a process” of withdrawal, not an immediate pullout, a promise that takes the progress of the war into consideration. McCain criticized Gates for ducking the question and pressed him and Mullen for an answer.

DSCN6594.JPGWhen it was the Democrats’ turn to question, Lieberman was first up — and picked up on McCain’s line of questioning. He dished his inquiries with a dose of sympathy, and got the answers he and McCain sought.

Lieberman quoted Obama stating Tuesday night that “we will begin transfer of our forces out of Afghanistan in July 2011.”

“That troubled me when I heard it,” Lieberman said. “But then the president added words the reassured me: ‘We will execute this transition responsibly, taking take into account conditions on the ground.’”

He asked Gates if it’s “correct” to “conclude” that a “transfer of security responsibility” to the Afghan government will begin in July 2011 “but may not include immediately a withdrawal of our forces from Afghanistan”?

“That is correct,” Gates responded. “That is correct. As we turn over more districts and more provinces … there will be a thinning of our forces and a gradual drawdown.”

Lieberman gently pressed for details. “To me,” he said, Gates’ answer means U.S. troop might leave the “most stable,” “most uncontested” areas. He said he took the answer to mean those first “withdrawn” troops “won’t leave Afghanistan, but rather will pull “back a ways to see how that works rather than taking them out of the country.”

Is that right? he asked Gates.

Yes, Gates responded.

“We’re not just going to throw these guys in the swimming pool …” Gates said.

“Got it,” Lieberman interjected.

” … and walk away.”

Lieberman continued. “Am I right,” he asked, that while there’s a target date to begin withdrawing troops, “there is no deadline?” That “it will be based on conditions on the ground”?

Yes, Gates responded. “By the same token we want to communicate to the Afghans this is not an open-ended commitment on the part of the American people and our allies around the world,” he said. He described a “balancing act” of communicating “resolve” to the Taliban while also communicating a “sense of urgency” to Afghanistan’s government to build up its own capacity to take over the war.

That’s the “right balance,” Lieberman concluded.

DSCN6553.JPGThe other side of the argument came from the next Democrat to question the witnesses, U.S. Sen. Jack Reed of Rhode Island. He guided Gates to testify that the July 2011 withdrawal isn’t “arbitrary,” but rather based on a carefully prepared plan based on military estimates. He also guided Gates to counter McCain’s argument that a withdrawal date “emboldens” the enemy (“It seems to me,” Reed quipped, that the Taliban is “emboldened already”); or that it creates a problem by leading the other side to lay low to wait out the surge. “We would certainly welcome them not being active in the next 18 months,” Gates said.

Another side also was expressed in the public section of the hearing room. Gael Murphy and Medea Benjamin (left to right in photo) of the D.C.-based antiwar group Code Pink were first in line for seats. They brought signs.

When Admiral Mullen entered the room to the clicking of press cameras, Benjamin positioned her signs to appear in the photos. (See picture at the top of the story.)

“Mike!” she called out to the admiral. “Excuse me, Admiral…”

Mullen ignored her. She continued speaking anyway.

“We just got back from Afghanistan,” she said. “They don’t need more troops. They need jobs.”


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Posted by: JackNH | December 2, 2009 2:31 PM

How much longer do we in CT have to put up this Lieberman? What a piece of work. What war did he ever fight in, or free clinic he waited in line for? He's more than an embarrassment, he's dangerous.

Posted by: robn | December 2, 2009 4:10 PM

Just what the hell is Sen Liebermans problem? He seems to be fixated on continuing the war.

Posted by: Brutalcreek | December 2, 2009 4:46 PM

Lieberman's bitterness and anger has become Nixonesque -- it now controls everything he does. He has no belief system, no compass. It has always been about his ego, now it's his obsessive and craven need to strike back at Democrats.

Hopefully, as with Nixon, it will lead to his political demise.

If the Senate Democrats have any sense, they'll vote health care using budget reconciliation so they don't need 60 votes. Then they'll tell Joe to wrap himself in his sense of self importance and go home without his chairmanship.

Posted by: DR | December 2, 2009 5:13 PM

JACKNH: Unfortunately, three more years. I do wish he would just shut up. But his ego is way too big to allow him to do this.

Posted by: blue dog dem | December 2, 2009 7:16 PM

he's creating or saving more jobs

Posted by: William Kurtz | December 3, 2009 8:55 AM

'Jobs' shouldn't come at the expense of 'lives.'

Posted by: blue dog dem | December 3, 2009 9:43 AM

he's not the one who is sending the additional troops over

Posted by: Latichever | December 3, 2009 9:50 AM

The senator who represents the state of Aetna, with a side constituency of the military-industrial complex. It's hard to believe he was the VP candidate for Gore, although I remember he was passive and temporizing on the Florida mess.

What was Al thinking?

What was I thinking? I voted for him until 2006.

Posted by: mort horwitz | December 3, 2009 11:19 AM

Notliking Joe Lieberman is beside the point. What is the pointis "What was off base about his questions to Secretary Gates?" Seemed pretty logical to me.

Posted by: mike | December 3, 2009 12:55 PM

To all you Liberals, I was against Joe Liberalman
before I voted for him against Red Lamond. The liberals chickens have come home to roost.BO is
sending in the marines not Joe. If you want peace
vote Republican, Democrats are war mongers, WW 1,
WW2, Korea, Vietnam. Republicans ended the wars in
Korea and Vietnam. The only Republican who started
a war was Lincoln, if you need the details google
Abraham Lincoln President of the United States.

Posted by: robn | December 3, 2009 1:38 PM

"The only Republican who started a war was Lincoln." Mike

MIKE, Seriously man....what planet were you living on in 2003 when George Bush invaded Iraq?

not to mention his dad Bush Sr (Iraq), Ronald Reagan (Granada), McKinley (Spanish American War)

sheesh!

Posted by: DR | December 3, 2009 6:00 PM

Robn:
And not to mention that Lincoln didn't start the Civil War, Wilson didn't start WWI, FDR didn't start WWII, and Truman didn't start the Korean War. We sort of go sucked into Vietnam.

The wars you mentioned the Republican presidents started.

Posted by: mikepc | December 3, 2009 6:33 PM

Dear Robn:

My bad on Lil George, but Big Bush did not
start the first Iraq war, Sadam invaeded
Kuwait, at least I think he did. To call
Reagan invading Grenada a war is a bit of
a stretch. I honestly forgot about Spanish
American war. I also though we lost lest in
Grenada than in Clintons fiasco in Somalia
and with that moron Carter in the ill fated
rescue attemp during the Iran hostage crisis.
My whole is that if you add up the numbers more
Americans soldiers have died under Democrats
than Republicans in modern times.

Posted by: mikepc45 | December 4, 2009 3:26 PM

Dear DR:

Without going into great detail on started www1
ww2, lookup the following.

Lend Lease, Neutrality Act, Destroyers for Bases,
USN Rueban James, Oil and scrap metal embargo.
For Vietnam google the Tonkin Gulf Resolution.
To state that we were somehow "sucked in" is
beyond belief. When a liberal starts a war its
good or we were sucked in.

Posted by: Ellis Copeland | December 4, 2009 4:36 PM

Wow-- ya gotta love these comments. They show the level of intelligence in this Ivy League community. LIEberman is a liar and a hypocrite. He MUST be retired for the good of the nation, let alone this state. Were is not for a loophole in the law, which has since been corrected, he would be walking his dog and eating a sandwich in Stamford right now.

Posted by: robn | December 6, 2009 7:32 AM

MIKEPC45,

I think I gotta go along with you on the Vietnam thing although Kennedy was more of a cold war believer and LBJ was a lying, profiteering polecat... lesson here is, Dem or Rep...don't put Texans in the White House.

Posted by: mikepc45 | December 6, 2009 11:30 PM

Its funny how the left always makes Kennedy out to be a paragon of peace and compassion and LBJ
out to some creature from the black lagoon. I wonder if Kennedy looked like Johnson and Johnson looked like Kennedy if we would look upon them in a different light. Remember LBJ got the Civil Rights Act of 1964 passed with more Republicans than Democrats voting for it. Not to mention all the Great Societ programs which Kennedy could not get passed. Also Kennedy almost got the world destroyed in nuclear with the Russians who perceived him as weak. Sound familiar and petinent to todays situation. We need Nixon.

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