25 Protest The ​“Surge”

No New Haven police officers were assigned to be present at the rally. Reached afterwards, Assistant Chief Luiz Casanova said department brass has discussed public criticism of the Surge. (Pictured: A Surge stop on Nov. 13.) Casanova said the operation was never meant to involve stop and frisk tactics or targeting of racial groups.

Give me a break.Here is the real deal.

Stop Kidding Yourself: The Police Were Created to Control Working Class and Poor People.

by Sam Mitrani


http://www.blackagendareport.com/node/14613

They may have change the name,but this is there game.

The Dark Side of 'Broken Windows' Policing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/18/nyregion/the-dark-side-of-broken-windows-policing.html?smid=fb-share

Right on, Threefifths.

The police and Lt Casanova can claim all they want that they don't target people based on race or how they look, but the experiences of people that we've heard across the city say otherwise. Trevor's story, above, was just one of many hundreds we've heard while doing work against police misconduct in New Haven over the course of years.

The line of thinking that the police are tools of the upper class to control "the masses" is a myth stemming from Marx, Lenin, et al. Policing, in terms of people assigned to protect society, is as old as society itself. For those of you opposed to "the surge," head to the green some weekday and look at the number of drunk, violent, disorderly people who congregate there (of all races, ethnicities, genders, etc.) Robberies are not uncommon, there was a an assault that resulted in a death in the area last year, need I go on?

Never mind the Surge we need the Purge!

posted by: vc man on January 19, 2015 9:31pm

The line of thinking that the police are tools of the upper class to control "the masses" is a myth stemming from Marx, Lenin, et al. Policing, in terms of people assigned to protect society, is as old as society itself. For those of you opposed to "the surge," head to the green some weekday and look at the number of drunk, violent, disorderly people who congregate there (of all races, ethnicities, genders, etc.) Robberies are not uncommon, there was a an assault that resulted in a death in the area last year, need I go on?

Explain this.

A Brief History of Slavery and the Origins of American Policing



The birth and development of the American police can be traced to a multitude of historical, legal and political-economic conditions. The institution of slavery and the control of minorities, however, were two of the more formidable historic features of American society shaping early policing. Slave patrols and Night Watches, which later became modern police departments, were both designed to control the behaviors of minorities. For example, New England settlers appointed Indian Constables to police Native Americans (National Constable Association, 1995), the St. Louis police were founded to protect residents from Native Americans in that frontier city, and many southern police departments began as slave patrols. In 1704, the colony of Carolina developed the nation's first slave patrol. Slave patrols helped to maintain the economic order and to assist the wealthy landowners in recovering and punishing slaves who essentially were considered property.


http://www.plsonline.eku.edu/insidelook/brief-history-slavery-and-origins-american-policing

The NHPD is the epitome of total corruption. I worked for Steve Ahern, Sr (now deceased, so Paul you can chill your worry about getting sued). I have personally witnessed the depth of the nastiness up close. The only real solution is to abolish the department and start fresh. And the current "chief" is the gang leader, as attested by his atrocious behavior at the Yale Bowl-- for which he ought to be fired and thrown in jail.

A better comparison would be to compare North Korea's incarceration rate to ours, not the number. Tragically, the rates are the same. While it is worth noting that our prisoners are better treated than their non-incarcerated citizens, it still puts us in pretty bad company.

3/5,

The Roman Emperor Augustus formed a fire/police brigade in AD6. Besides fighting fires and catching burglers, part of their duty was catching runaway slaves. These slaves were just as likely to have been Spanish, French, Turkish or Greek as they were to be African. My point is that their primary duty was fighting fire, secondary crime, and tertiary was chasing slaves.

3/5s, history is much more nuanced than the overly simplistic narrative you continually vent. For example, at the times you mentioned, it was legal and not uncommon for former African slaves to own slaves and servants of their own.

http://www.theroot.com/articles/history/2013/03/black_slave_owners_did_they_exist.html

Furthermore, if you look at the picture of the surge above, there are two black male officers and a Hispanic female officer, with a white male being among those who has been stopped. Not exactly the narrative that you suggest.

Finally, It is generally accepted that modern policing stems from England, with the establishment of what became Scotland yard by Sir Robert Peel in the 19th century. Fun fact, in Great Britain, fire fighting started as a subscription service with various fire departments acting as rival companies.

Yale students were robbed at gunpoint yesterday by men on bikes. They were lucky they weren't killed, as other Yale students have been in the past (think Gary Stein, and Christian Prince, both senselessly killed by young black street robbers). The students called New Haven police, presumably so those robbers can be taken off the street before they just kill their next victim for fun. And in looking at the above pic, I see a group of African American cops, all of whom risk their lives on the streets everyday to protect Yale students and other New Haveners. So these few Yale students on the Green offering up the dusty communist line that police are the tool of the ruling class trying to run blacks out of the city seems downright dumb, no?

posted by: vc man on January 20, 2015 11:26am

3/5s, history is much more nuanced than the overly simplistic narrative you continually vent. For example, at the times you mentioned, it was legal and not uncommon for former African slaves to own slaves and servants of their own.

You are correct.But all groups have there sell outs.In fact Jews had there own sell them out to.How about The Jews who fought for Hitler.In fact As Many As 150,000 Jews Served In Hitler's Military.There were call Mischlinge.

The Untold Story of Nazi Racial Laws and Men of Jewish Descent in the German Military

Bryan Mark Rigg


http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/righitpix.html

Furthermore, if you look at the picture of the surge above, there are two black male officers and a Hispanic female officer, with a white male being among those who has been stopped. Not exactly the narrative that you suggest.

You did not read the whole store.If you did you would have seen the black male being stop and frisk.


http://www.newhavenindependent.org/index.php/archives/entry/the_surge_hits_church_street/

I am not talking about the history of fire department.I am talking about the history of the police when it comes to people of color.

Policing in New Haven, since 1990 has been planned and performed from ideas from Woodbridge Hall, and the resources at their disposal to create and ideal environment. It has failed, but one cannot stop trying to solve the problem. When Yale students were being victimized (in all catergories of crime, from thefts, burglaries, robberies, sexual assaults, and Murders) near the end of the 1980s, their department was greatly expanded, and their Security Division created. Their theory, which resulted in an operational experiment, was for uniformed law enforcement to be highly visible, in large numbers, but to not initiate any action. That meaning officers were not to take any initiative that was not approved, and for the most part initiative was deemed inappropriate, and provocative. They even went to the effort of giving the use of initiative by officers a negative connotation by calling active officers "Cowboys". Where there department holds that line, or else they will be stopped from advancing or dismissed, they would always call on the NHPD to carry out any and all initiatives, that they, the Management at Yale University, that would be controversial. So as to insulate themselves from the suggestion that they are an elitist institution, which has historically viewed the remainder of the cities population as the "ignorant and violent masses". Just look at the physical boundries Yale has built and continues to build around the campus to separate the students from the adjoining neighborhoods. (It started with the construction of the old campus, which is actually a fortress.) The more recent safety walls surround all of their property at the Yale Nursing School. One of the best examples of Yale using the NHPD was in evicting the protestors from the Green protesting Wall ST, several years ago. So when one goes to protest anything that is thought to be "terrible" being done by the NHPD, I suggest the students not leave campus to do this, go to Woodbridge Hall.

PS-ever wonder why Cambridge does not have any where near the amount of violent crime as New Haven. Again thank the folks at Woodbridge Hall for this. Another blatant sign of the disdain they have for remainder of the people that live and pay taxes in New Haven. Oh, and let's throw another party for the fact that the cities crime stats "went down". Yes, and invite the families and friends of the 16 murder victims that occurred in the city last year, needlessly, and directly resulting for Yale's approach of benign neglect towards the remainder of the people here. Here's an old saying, "Put Up, or Shut up!" In other words start contributing ten times the amount now "contributed" by Yale, to the city, for public safety. That won't happen. And neither will any of these students have the "stones" to organize a "die in" at Woodbridge Hall. "No not me, I won't ruing my career and future" in the elitist Academia that they all so badly need to be a part of.

3/5s, so now that we've established that the police were not formed as slave hunting zealots, yes, both black and white males were stopped downtown as part of the surge. Any comment on the multi-ethnic lawlessness that occurs in that area and how the police can address it? As for the fire dept fact, that was just an interesting tidbit.

posted by: vc man on January 20, 2015 5:59pm

3/5s, so now that we've established that the police were not formed as slave hunting zealots, yes, both black and white males were stopped downtown as part of the surge. Any comment on the multi-ethnic lawlessness that occurs in that area and how the police can address it? As for the fire dept fact, that was just an interesting tidbit.

But the major of people stop,Are people of color.


Report shows racial profiling in YPD, NHPD


The NHPD searched 5.8 percent of the white drivers they stopped, while they searched 10.5 percent of black drivers.


Despite of the higher investigation rate for black drivers, the report showed that illegal items were recovered from 29.8 percent of white drivers and only 23.7 percent of black drivers.

The YPD faces an even higher disparity. Although the department searched 6.8 percent of white drivers and 10.7 percent of black drivers, 52 percent of the white drivers were found to be carrying illegal items, while the same could be said of only 20.8 percent of black drivers.


http://yaledailynews.com/blog/2014/09/16/report-shows-racial-profiling-in-ypd-nhpd/

3/5s...actually, no, according to the statistics, blacks accounted for about 14% of traffic stops (from the article you cited: African-American citizens comprise 7.96 percent of Connecticut's population, they were involved in 14.07 percent of the state's traffic stops. And though 71.6 percent of traffic stops for white citizens led to some kind of recorded infraction or summons, that number was 70.3 percent for African-American citizens.) A disproportionate number of stops by population, but not even close to a majority. In addition, of those stops they were cited at a lesser rate than white drivers, 71.6% for whites vs 70.3% for blacks.

3/5,

The classic spin for data you just presented into say that black drivers were searched twice as much as white drivers A clearer way to put it is that 90% of black drivers were NOT searched and 95% of white drivers were NOT searched. Only a 5% difference which is statistically insignificant.