Carnage Continues; Activists Ask For State Cops

(Updated) After their community experienced two homicides in 16 hours and five in eight days, African-American leaders called on the city to bring in state troopers to patrol the streets.

Over 150 people gathered in front of the Dixwell Mini Market on Dixwell Avenue on Sunday afternoon for a rally in response to the recent spate of murders in the city’s African-American neighborhoods. Religious and political leaders spoke from a podium in front of the store where 19-year-old Tywan Q. Turner was shot multiple times on Saturday night.

Turner, who was from Hamden, became the city’s 11th homicide victim of 2010. His shooting, at 7:57 p.m., occurred just one block away and several hours after 29-year-old Kenneth Thomas was shot dead at 4:16 a.m. on Saturday morning. Thomas was shot in the neck, according to Lt. Julie Johnson. Turner was shot in the chest.

The two incidents were the latest in a string of homicides, including two last weekend, and a body found in a trash can on Thursday.

“These homicides are tragic and unsettling,” Mayor John DeStefano said Saturday night.

“The idea that these men would inflict this level of violence upon each other and their communities is intolerable. In the coming hours and days police and the community must redouble their efforts to just stop this behavior.”

Thomas MacMillan Photo “Enough is enough!” chanted the group assembled on Dixwell Avenue at 2 p.m. Sunday for the rally. Rev. Scott Marks, the organizer of the rally, led the crowd in that and other chants. Speeches from church leaders and former and current elected officials were punctuated by gospel songs. Marks was joined by pastors from local African-American churches, Newhallville Alderman Charles Blango, State Rep. Pat Dillon, and former Mayor John Daniels.

“We’ve got a problem. We have a problem. ... Our sons and daughters are dying on the street,” Marks said. “We make a request for the state troopers to come in.”

Marks repeated his call for state police intervention several times throughout the event. He led the crowd in a chant of “Bring the state troopers!”

“We have a city out of control!” he said.

Marks’ request was seconded by former Mayor Daniels when he took the mic. He brought up the September 2009 murder of Yale grad student Annie Le. That murder was solved within days because of the leadership of the Yale university president, who called on “every law enforcement in the world” to help solve the crime, Daniels said.

The response to Le’s murder contrasts sharply with with the response of city officials to the recent murders, he said. “Their silence is deafening!”

Daniels urged aldermen to put in a request to the mayor to ask the governor to send state troopers to New Haven, “to help patrol until this city can come up with a comprehensive plan” to deal with the violence.

In 1990, when he was mayor, Daniels once asked then-Gov. William O’Neill to send state troopers to New Haven in the wake of an outbreak of street violence. O’Neill complied. However the move was controversial. Some argued that it showed a lack of faith in city cops; or that it circumvented community policing by bringing in cops who don’t know the people or the streets here.

More recently, state police took over the city’s narcotics squad after it was disbanded in the wake of a corruption scandal, until it was reconstituted with a new team and a new mission.

On Sunday night, Mayor John DeStefano said he doesn’t think it would be appropriate to call in state police.

“The city needs to police itself,” he said. That’s why a new batch of rookie cops was graduated last week and why his budget for next year includes even more officers, DeStefano said.

Unlike city police, state police don’t have the time to make relationships with New Haven communities, the mayor said. Deploying state troopers here is thus not the best use of resources.

State resources would be helpful in prisoner reentry, support for prosecutors, and speeding up the forensic processing of guns seized as evidence by police, DeStefano said.

The city needs to continue to look at its allocation and placement of police officers, DeStefano said. He noted that, “There was a police officer on the other side of the building,” when Turner was shot on Saturday night.

“Police will continue to be out there in significant numbers,” DeStefano said. The city will be working to “engage with the community” on near and long term issues associated with gun violence, he said.

The city’s new police chief, Frank Limon, took office last Monday. Three homicides have occurred since then. He was not at the rally Sunday; he has not held any press events or issued public statements so far amid the violence this weekend. He did launch a weekend campaign called “Operation Corridor”to saturate high-crime neighborhoods—like Dixwell—with extra cops. The mayor confirmed on Sunday night that Saturday night’s shooting occurred while cops were in the parking lot in the rear of the convenience store.

At Sunday’s rally, Alderman Blango introduced another theme that was taken up by the speakers: the importance of parenting. Parents need to watch their children more closely, even search their rooms if necessary, Blango said. He mentioned the television ad that used to ask parents, “Do you know where your child is?”

“I know where my child is,” said Cassandra McCoy when she took the microphone. “My child is at the Beaverdale Cemetery.”

McCoy’s son Melvin McCoy was killed in 1992. She also encouraged parents to be active in their children’s lives.

Ben Hunter, who runs a summer basketball league in New Haven, said he spoke at the Thursday funeral of Radcliffe DeRoche, who was shot while riding a four-wheeler on Easter Sunday. Things have changed since he was a young man in New Haven, Hunter said. It used to be that people would talk to the police after a murder. Now after bullets fly, “nobody seen nothing!”

The rally ended with a prayer and the announcement of a follow-up meeting on Thursday at 6 p.m. and the Elks Club on Dixwell Avenue. Marks called on the mayor and the chief of police to attend that meeting.

“I have no reason not to meet with community members,” said Mayor DeStefano on Sunday night. He said his attendance at meetings depends on scheduling and making sure that the format of a meeting is useful one.

He said a 1 p.m. city hall press conference is scheduled, to talk about the recent violence.

“It’s been horrible for everybody,” he said.

Alderwoman Alfreda Edwards, who lives across the street from the house on Sheffield Avenue where a murder victim was found in a trash can on Thursday, said after the rally that she and Alderman Blango are planning to meet with the chief on Monday to speak with him about police response to the murders.

Asked if bringing in state troopers was a good idea, Edwards said, “They’re going to have to do something, but what it is I’m not sure.” She mentioned block watches, Guardian Angels, and parents as parts of an answer to the violence.

As for state troopers, “I’m not sure that’s the solution,” she said.

Honda Smith, co-chair of a Democratic Ward Committee in West Rock, said she thinks the annual Freddie Fixer parade should be canceled. The parade, scheduled for the third Sunday in May, is a celebration of the African-American community. It has a history of coinciding with street violence.

LEAP Grad

According to one officer’s account, Tywan Turner was chased into the Dixwell Mini Market and then shot dead. Police officers were behind the store at the time of the shooting, but the gunman or gunmen got away.

One commenter to this article (see below) recalled working with Turner in the LEAP youth program. He called him a “vibrant young man.”

A WTNH report showed a man being arrested at the scene. However, according to Lt. Johnson, that arrest was unrelated to the homicide.

Kenneth Thomas, 29, was shot at 4:16 a.m. on Saturday, near 43 Charles Street.

Turner and Thomas are the 10th and 11th homicide victims already in 2010. New Haven reported 13 homicides in all of 2009.

This is also the second consecutive double-homicide weekend.

Five people have been killed in New Haven in eight days, all in the black community.

On Thursday police found a body wrapped in plastic inside a garbage can in a back yard on Sheffield Avenue.

Lt. Johnson said Sunday that police have identified that homicide victim. They’ve not yet released the name because they haven’t yet reached family members, who are out of state, to notify them first.

 

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posted by: Paul on April 10, 2010  10:41pm

Wow. Horrendous.

Baptism by fire, Chief Limon.

posted by: Fact on April 10, 2010  10:50pm

2010 will bring New Haven 30+ Homicides and not a word from our Mayor in the last month as we have had a Homicide every 72 Hours?  The silence is being heard around the City and being forwarded to DC so forget a job there any time soon John.

Lives are more valuable then politics, these crime waves are dividends of years of political games by this Adminsitration playing out in our youth in some of the most difficult neighborhoods of New Haven. 

History will show 1994-2011 were the worst for th egrowth of New Haven and it will take until 2016 or later to recover from the filure on our youngsters by John.

posted by: shabbaz on April 10, 2010  11:02pm

MAKE THIS STORY A HEADLINE, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

posted by: John Lynch on April 11, 2010  12:40am

I really feel like the city is not taking this seriously enough. There have been 5 homicides in a week in New Haven. All the identified victim thus far have been Black men.
  I lived in L.A. now but lived in New Haven for 7 years, working with youth through the LEAP program. I am deeply saddened tonight as the young man killed in front of Hot Spot today was a participant in LEAP and a vibrant young man.
  When I speak with my folks there now, every single one of them says the same things to be… “New Haven is getting too wild” - “I don’t even go outside” - “I can’t wait to get out of here.”
  The powers that be have to get a hold on this city. There’s only 125,000 people in the whole city. It is feasible to create a safe city. It takes focus and safety/quality of life has to be a priority. From my vantage point, I hear chaos in the streets and silence among leadership.

posted by: can't blame the mayor on April 11, 2010  3:49am

can’t blame the mayor or the police.
the people to blame are the one’s who live in these areas see what happens and will not said a thing.you cannot expect the cops to be everywhere.these are our neighborhoods.
lets try acting like we live in them.
take pride in them.
lets help the police solve these crimes.
stop being part of the problem.and help with a solution

posted by: Sean on April 11, 2010  10:35am

How are these shootings the fault of the Mayor?  Did he chase this man into a store shoot him?  No.  Blaming the Mayor for violence in an impoverished town, in the poorest parts is just plain stupid.  The people to blame are the residents who can’t get their lives together enough to raise a decent child.  Or the people who propagate a culture of ‘no snitching’, then wonder why crime is rampant in their area.

Stupidity is nothing new to New Haven, but it’s getting a bit out of hand.

posted by: Doyens on April 11, 2010  10:45am

The City of New Haven has invested heavily in programs and staff aimed at decreasing violence in these neighborhoods. Job training programs; open schools; street outreach workers and the largest police force in the state. When crime and violence was decreasing, the mayor took credit. Now that the opposite is true, there are significant questions whether these massive expenditures have ever worked or whether they have papered over with the help of a national, unexplainable trend of lower violence and crime, more root problems in these neighborhoods.

posted by: Hood Rebel on April 11, 2010  11:29am

This is beyond deeply troubling, and mind-boggling. Beyond no-snitch. We have to figure out how to address this increasing sub-group of young people in this community that are so hardened and disconnected that those of us who try to reach out are failing miserably in our efforts.

A program like LEAP couldn’t save this young man. What would motivate someone to cold-bloodily gun down this child outside a store? There are kids, in this hardened sub-group, who would pull a gun on you as quickly as someone would flip the bird.

We need, as a CITY to figure this out!!

posted by: A Note to Leadership on April 11, 2010  12:30pm

Just some thoughts; not an expert by any means, since gang culture in each city can vary.  However, one thing is pretty clear, the gang culture here is New Haven is alive and well; drive down certain streets and take a look at the attire (i.e. their “uniform”) that people are wearing; this affiliates them with a certain groups or neighborhoods.  The color RED is pretty prevalent in certain neighborhoods.

Look at the connection between NY/NJ gangs and CT gangs.  This did not spring up overnight.  The crisis that the city is currently in, began to rear its head around 2003.

What can be done:  Get to the young people that are not yet caught up in the gang culture/mentality because once that mentality is set it is difficult to break.  Do not clamp down on all youth in the city, the trouble makers are still the minority. By clamping down, you further alienate youth, thus creating the path for more youth to follow the gang lifestyle.

Here is a way to look at the structure in some of the neighborhoods: There are the gang “leaders” in each neighborhood; they call the shots.  There are those youth/young adults that are doing the killing and shooting.  There are those that carry weapons as a means to protect themselves because of their geographical location, they have no choice; they must carry in order to protect themselves. There are those that will get sucked up into the gang culture because they: 1) have nothing else to going for them; 2) this lifestyle appeals to them; 3)they need protection, 4)their friend/s got caught up in some beef and thus they are now linked to the beef.  Geographical location does have quite a bit to do with it as does who the youth associates with.  Of course this is by no means an exhaustive list.

This is an issue that cannot be solved in a vacuum.  It can’t just be about the cops sweeping into certain corridors (we see that that did not work this weekend); it can’t just be left up to the neighborhoods because it is quite possible that people living in these neighborhoods stay quiet out of a need to survive.  It can’t be about clamping down on all young people.  Leaders must also look at how the guns are ending up on the streets in the first place. 

A real dialogue between leaders and community members (including youth) must take place; the question is how will leaders earn the trust of community members/youth in order to engage them in such a dialogue.  The city has quite a bit of work ahead of it and it can’t do things the same old way…that will not work here.  If nothing is done, quality of life will continue to go down and yes, it will effect more than the young black men that are being murdered on our streets!

posted by: Realist on April 11, 2010  12:56pm

I think it’s time to allow the NHPD to take off the kid gloves and take back the streets. No job training will replace drug dealing until the drug dealers are back where they belong.

posted by: Steve on April 11, 2010  2:31pm

We all know that the only person who has the resources at his control to attack this issue is Mayor John DeStefano and John DeStefano alone!

Tell me who else has that power and I will surrender my position and hold that individual responsible?

Sean can you tell me?

This is another shovel of sand on the worst mayoral dynasty in Hew Haven’s history. Mayor Johnnie is always blaming someone else, dare raise a question and his high pitched squeals are delivered to shout you down. Ask why we have an issue in the City on any topic and the buck flies right out the door.

Mr Mayor I hope and pray the issues of today are improved and dealt with on your watch once and for all, if not I will work day and night to celebrate your last term.

posted by: East Rocker on April 11, 2010  3:17pm

I know that the reasons behind youth violence in the cities are many and, as one poster pointed out, that New Haven’s problems are not unique - crime numbers across the country have tended to rise and fall together and are highly correlated with the size of the cohort of people who are in the 15-25 age range at a given time.  But that said, I have wondered for some time whether there is any connection between the gentrification of the city and the violent crime rate.  In the mid to late 90’s, violent crime was heading down, reaching its low in about 2001/2.  This time was also the period when the downtown revival was just beginning to happen and to spill into some of the surrounding areas.  By 2001, things had really picked up steam and we were seeing lots of investment in real estate which provided many positive outcomes, but also drove up rents throughout the city.  I can’t help but wonder if there is some connection between the gentrification of New Haven and the decreasing affordability of housing and the rise in violent crime that took place during the same years.  Any thoughts?

posted by: L on April 11, 2010  5:55pm

I agree with much of what has been said, but I think it was very unfair to bring up Annie Le. I see your point, but that suspect was very easy to catch and find. He was on camera, and his ID swipe put him in the place of the crime. Very few people had access to that lab, very much unlike a public street. Before people jump to conclusions that the NHPD values the lives of Yalies more than they do other NH residents, I point to two other unsolved cases. In Sept. of 2008, a Yale grad student was shot in the hand during a purse-snatching in broad daylight her 1st week at Yale. They never caught him,and she really got the run-around from the officers and detective put on her case. They didn’t run timely forensics on the bullet, and they didn’t return her calls. I recall that the mayor’s television statement basically said she wouldn’t be treated differently than if this had happened to another resident,and that they’d try to solve it. She was scared, angry and confused. Her credit cards were used immediately, and a Yale police officer had to go outside his jurisdiction to help interview the store employees. The person who used the card was ID-ed, and nothing happened to her. Who’d she get the card from? It’s obvious it was the shooter. the victim was lucky that she was not killed - she easily could have been, and the story would have ended differently, and you would all know her name. The other case is the unsolved murder of Suzanne Jovin. Yes, they brought in top law enforcement and detectives form all over, but to no avail, as it happened on a public street w/ no cameras or witnesses. I challenge this past week’s witnesses and friends to please come forward. Someone knows something. This city is dangerous, and it’s up to all of us to protect one another and watch out for one another and to not tolerate gangs and dealers and retaliation.

posted by: FOOLISH on April 11, 2010  6:20pm

Small Rally, Small Talk and even smaller action.  No City official even deemed it necessary to show, no Alderman had any solutions (can’t talk out line, John will scold you)  all a LOAD of nonsense.  Shootings and crime will rampage this City until and only until John realizes (to late) that his administration has hosted a City that has massacred our youth.

Solutions are many, but you have to care more about blood than Route 34 expansion.  More about people than political games.  More about the residents of the whole City not just Downtown.  Care more about us then YOU!!

posted by: DKR on April 11, 2010  6:28pm

wow,...perhaps i should’ve started a pool as to when these so called “civic leaders” were going to form a rally and protest the crime/homicides…i would’ve made a pretty penny indeed. just another waste of time and hot air,...as i’ve mentioned before,..we have seen these protests and rallies against violence before and what has changed,....NOTHING…it’s time these same people start taking responsibility for their own actions and lead by example,,...everyone wants to pass the blame on someone else or the government, be it at the local, state or federal level,...it’s time to stop using the “race-card as an excuse,..!!!!! it’s time the system takes these gangster cowards and put them on the front lines over in iraq and then we will see how tough they are,...!!!!!!

posted by: DKR on April 11, 2010  6:31pm

hey mr.marks,...no need for the state police at all,...just let the new haven police do our job,...without you or the community butting in saying we are to aggressive,....well,..as you can see,..the shaking hands,.kissing babies and slapping people on the wrist approach hasn’t worked…...need i say more…!!!!

posted by: new haven resident on April 11, 2010  7:14pm

John D.  will never ask the Governor Rell for help , nor should she without letting the
State Police take over the clearly incompetent New Haven Police Department

posted by: Jonathan Hopkins on April 11, 2010  8:39pm

DKR,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20LkYvEZOZs
I’m not so sure putting violent offenders overseas in combat would do much more than produce more incidents like this. I also wouldn’t want the people I know in the military to be along side “gangster cowards”.
Also, I think its pretty obvious that the ‘lead by example’ thing doesn’t work at all. The people showing up at these events are the people who do care and who most likely are setting a great example and have been for some time.

There are essentially two kinds of crime that are causing the problems in American cities. Property crimes and violent crimes that are a result of someone losing their job or not getting hired and the only solution they see is to steal, rob, burglarize or attack people out of frustration, which may result in them being able to feed their family that night. The other kind of crime results from decades of cultural and social degradation that exists in communities that have been systematically deprived of resources and services, most of which is a result of economic trends and bad foresight rather than some kind of malicious intent from an outside source.
It is easy to understand and observe how a person can get caught robbing and receive a jail sentence to repay their debt to society. It is much more difficult to understand and observe the long-term effects of this. For instance, the convict may have been stealing to feed his family because he was just fired from his job. Now the children grow up without the disciplinary and economic benefits of two parents, so the children may have behavior problems that are not addressed due to the family’s lowered-income and higher stress levels. This often results in poor school performance and run-ins with police and perhaps even a child at a young age. Multiple this by decades and we have a huge problem.
Even in neighborhoods that are largely made up of working class people with jobs, this sub-culture that has been brewing since about the 60s, although small, has become the defining element in many of these neighborhoods. Part of this is due to the middle class flight to the suburbs, which left urban neighborhoods without commerce, jobs, or the civic involvement that comes with a defining middle class at its core.

One interesting development of the past few years has come from the medical and psychology field, which has found that physical violence in children from urban neighborhoods in often derived from auditory levels in cities. In many neighborhoods the streets have been turned into highways for tractor trailers, suburban commuters and people who drive everywhere, which makes for extremely high noise for large portions of the day. This, coupled with stereos and television create noise that become impossible to for children to speak over, so to get people’s attention they must physically touch people. So we have difficulty in getting attention, immense stress caused from excessive noise levels (which reduces sleeping, which is extremely bad for young children) and the need to be physical to be heard and over years of a child’s development we have quite a dysfunctional individual that usually results in a large burden on tax payers to educate the child, to help the child, to imprison the teen, to rehabilitate the adult, to house this person, etc.
The solution is not police, it is a comprehensive re-building of our culture to pursue the common good through consolidation of resources for economic justice, restoring local networks of commerce, constructing close-knit neighborhoods for the principles, the teachers and the janitors that are supplemented by public and civic buildings and places of extremely high quality to reflect a renewed sense of society’s worth and investment in its citizenry.

posted by: The Professor on April 11, 2010  9:43pm

Steve,

I’ll tell you who was in power in each case: the murderer.  Saying that John DeStefano had more power to stop each of these killings than the individual killers had is absolutely insane. How about you start blaming the MURDERERS for MURDERING PEOPLE. Or perhaps you expect that they’ll plead “not guilty by reason of John DeStefano” when they’re apprehended?

On another note, I think that Mayor Daniels has really gotten to the point where he has little, if anything to contribute. At this point, I get the distinct impression that he’s trying to gin up some town-gown conflict, and I can’t imagine how that would be good for this city. 

His assertion that Rick Levin “called on every law enforcement (sic) in the world” is just factually untrue.  Yes, Rick Levin and the Yale administration were very proactive in pushing for the Le case to be solved as quickly as possible.  Considering that a) he’s the President of Yale University and a Yale student was murdered, b) the last time something like this happened (Suzanne Jovin in 1999) the operation was totally botched, and c) Yale already suffers from a general (and I think incorrect) perception that campus is an unsafe place, I think that Levin and his administration’s calls for a rapid resolution of the Le case were very well warranted.

Daniels also apparently said that “[city officials’] silence is deafening.”  Perhaps Daniels hasn’t been paying attention these last few days, as the Mayor has spoken out about the recent tragedies and the Chief of Police has worked to implement more aggressive patrols to cut down on the drug trade, which leads to many of these crimes.

We should note that this is the same John Daniels
who endorsed Angela Watley in the ‘09 election; can anyone imagine how SHE would respond to this crisis?  And this is the same John Daniels who in 2007 attacked the DeStefano administration for not having forseen the Billy White scandal while conveniently forgetting that White was promoted to head of NHPD Intelligence under the Daniels administration!

It is truly sad to see that a trailblazer like John Daniels has chosen to spend his later years sowing the seeds of political division, especially at times of crisis like this.

As far as bringing in the State Police: I’m not sure that turning Dixwell/Newhallville into a police state is the best solution in the long term.  If there is, in fact, a rash of violence that seems to be building on itself, then yes, it’s probably a good idea to call in State Troopers.  Frankly, I think that’s a call that the Police Department will have to make in consultation with elected officials. 

But even if this is the case and the state police do come in, that’s not a permanent solution.  Paul Butler, a professor at George Washington University School of Law (and alum of Yale College) recently published an excellent book called “Let’s Get Free,” in which he makes a strong argument that excessive incarceration leads to greater community instability and begets violence.  Tell me, do we think that putting State Police officers who have zero investment in the community and its members on every corner in Dixwell/Newhallvill will lead to MORE or LESS incarceration?

So it really seems like there are some big risks associated with bringing in state troopers.  Officials have to weigh the short-term benefit of turning Newhallville into a police state against the long-term costs of overzealous officers throwing even more New Haven residents in prison.

While our elected officials are looking at these matters, it would help if they could put their heads together and think of some other solutions that don’t involve throwing a bunch of young men in jail.

posted by: Paul on April 11, 2010  10:00pm

Where were these civic “leaders” when these gangs were forming?

This isn’t a random shooting. This is gang-on-gang violence spilling out into the open, threatening everyone in the area.

The problem will come when the same civic leaders who point fingers at the mayor and the NHPD start complaining about their neighborhoods being targeted. At the end of the day, they’ll tolerate a random killing; they won’t tolerate the pat-down of a pastor’s kid or an alderman’s nephew.

posted by: Ellis Copeland on April 11, 2010  11:08pm

Hmmm, cops in the back parking lot while a shooting goes down in the front.  A clueless mayor standing around.  Yet, those few of us who for years have decried the inept Keystone Kops and the wholly useless Stooge-in Chief who keeps getting elected every two years without opposition are deemed extreme.  Whatever.  You people (by whom I mean all New Haveners who just go with the flow) deserve this because you will not stand up for yourselves and take back this town from the thugs and cretin’s.

posted by: cedarhillresident on April 11, 2010  11:19pm

We had some kind of gun fire on state near the Hess last night. Report from neighbors that alot of officers where on sceen. I have emailed District mang (newhallville) and the new chief to find out what happened so we can be on gaud but yet to here from them. I have had little succuss in recent months with communication and officers in Cedar Hill. I hope that that can change SOON Paul if you guys can find out it happened sat. evening around 1:30 on state and rock

posted by: Realist on April 11, 2010  11:20pm

Bingo!!!! We have a winner


posted by: Paul on April 11, 2010 10:00pm
Where were these civic “leaders” when these gangs were forming?

This isn’t a random shooting. This is gang-on-gang violence spilling out into the open, threatening everyone in the area.

The problem will come when the same civic leaders who point fingers at the mayor and the NHPD start complaining about their neighborhoods being targeted. At the end of the day, they’ll tolerate a random killing; they won’t tolerate the pat-down of a pastor’s kid or an alderman’s nephew.

posted by: Cross Teacher on April 12, 2010  6:46am

One of the reasons that the Annie Le case and similar cases are solved more quickly than these other homicides is that Annie Le’s co-workers and neighbors cooperated with the police and helped them in their investigation.

As long as people live by the credo “snitches get stitches,” these murders will be more difficult to solve.

posted by: Doyens on April 12, 2010  8:14am

Foolish: Well said.

Sean: The mayor is not responsible for the shooting, he’s responsible for the solution. He’s responsible for making the streets safe and attacking the real problems, not the symptoms with smart, strategic actions.

Mayor: It’s not about the money or more cops. We already have the largest cop force in the state and way more than comparable cities in other parts of the country. Quit using violence and death to support a bloated budget that you refuse to cut and that’s driving rents and home-ownership out of reach.

Like education, if money and more employees were the answer, this problem would be history and you would be governor. The current strategies are not working. The best way to find a new one is to acknowledge it’s failing and open yourself to new ideas or risk being the local version of Bush/Rumsfeld.

posted by: Bill on April 12, 2010  8:33am

These crimes are not due to the recession or lack of jobs, there are plenty of jobs otherwise there wouldn’t be so many illegal [immigrants] in New Haven but the jobs available are not easy jobs. It’s much easier to goof off in school and join a gang which lives by crime. Much of this is the result of the message they heard all their lives that they are downtrodden by the “man”.

posted by: Know Why Your Here on April 12, 2010  8:52am

Backs have been turned, if guns are the problem guns are the problem. Results of guns being the problem hhhmmm youth homicide.  The gun is just serving its intended purpose. do we have more guns than citizens?  The city Administration has neglected many in need while attempting to only help who they favor or pacify pacify pacify one example “Ban the box but create a felon registry counter productive” Who makes up these bright ideas? People should research policies and how they affect YOU! This is going on not just in new haven but every where. Our communities didn’t ask for this culture its a result of ignorance supported by negligence lack of money, and interest hey we have a prison across the street from the(recently departed)only grocery store in town .  Gimme another excuse for not having youth centers in the last 10 years theirs a generation of youth who have not been engaged and supported. How about cut the budget to non profits, hey leap was in more than just new haven before the money was cut. We get what we allow for not what we ask for.

posted by: zuke on April 12, 2010  9:07am

Welcome to town and best of luck. Regarding Operation Corridor please include the services of the probation and parole services. Dust off Project One Voice, The New Haven Gun Project and the Timez Up programs. They were all collaborative efforts among different law enforcement and social service agencies. Meet and greets were held in a different neighborhoods each month and people on supervision were ordered to attend. The rewards and consequences for compliance and non- compliance were clearly presented. Rewards would range from counseling programs to job training programs. The long range goal being rehabilitation, violence reduction and reduced recidivism rates. This program worked because those doing the work were committed to success on both sides. If offenders chose to re-offend, the consequences were swift and meaningful. It did not take long for the word to spread and compliance became the norm rather than the exception. This proved to be a benefit to the neighborhoods, the compliant offenders and the city in general. By removing habitual and violent offenders for non-compliance or new offenses the homicide rate was drastically reduced from an all time high of 32 to 8 I believe.

posted by: Tragic on April 12, 2010  9:30am

The first weekend of “Operation CORONER” was a bloody success.  Conragts Mayor!

posted by: Shirley Jackson on April 12, 2010  10:06am

Does anyone really know the background for these killings? I’ve read here it is gang-on-gang, but are these killings connected in any way?

All I keep reading is the reportage of people getting killed. With no connection. Seems a bit odd that people are just getting whacked for no reason.

Are witnesses to other crimes getting killed?

What’s the real story here???

If it is gang work I imagine Limon is the right man for the job. It’s only a matter of time before the perps are brought to justice.

posted by: Earl on April 12, 2010  10:34am

Everyone is frightened by the ignorant and hateful homicidal behavior of the young shooters. While I believe something must be done to stop this madness, I am not sure that increased police presence will stop the shooters. Our society is out of control and the parenting of these thugs is the main problem. Too many people are having too many children that are not raised properly. If you don’t want to do your part to contribute to a sane and safe society, please stop having babies. Let the folks who really want children have the babies. Being a parent is more than just biology.

posted by: Know Why Your Here on April 12, 2010  10:38am

Backs have been turned, if guns are the problem guns are the problem. Results of guns being the problem hmmm? youth homicide, armed gangs.  The gun is just serving its intended purpose. do we have more guns than citizens?  The city Administration has neglected many in need while attempting to only help who they favor or pacify pacify pacify one example “Ban the box but create a felon registry counter productive” Who makes up these bright ideas? People should research policies and how they affect YOU! This is going on not just in new haven but every where. Our communities didn’t ask for this culture its a result of ignorance supported by negligence lack of money, and interest hey we have a prison across the street from the(recently departed)only grocery store in town .  Gimme another excuse for not having youth centers in the last 10 years theirs a generation of youth who have not been engaged and supported. How about cut the budget to non profits, hey leap was in more than just new haven before the money was cut. We get what we allow for not what we ask for.

posted by: you can't handle the truth on April 12, 2010  11:06am

You wouldn’t be having this problem if Billy White was still out there.

posted by: get real on April 12, 2010  11:13am

RE- Bill

I’m a young successful african american male from new haven and still down trodden by the “Man” no one had to tell me the man or men who think like that did themselves. And their laws continue to disproportionately dictate and inadvertently affect what people think about individuals in the urban community and even how those people even behave and are treated. People are always talking about the race card the only reason is because it exist keep ignoring and you will be blindly put were you belong play that card because that’s the only card we’ve been allowed to have in this game.

posted by: Outa here on April 12, 2010  11:16am

What a sad place…I moved here a decade ago with such hope and idealism…I’m finally leaving after an epic reality check. To those who must remain:

1) Take back your neighborhoods

2) Do not be fooled by the platitudes (and shiny new schools) of local politicians (i.e. do NOT re-elect King John)

3) Good luck…you’ll need it.

posted by: yvonne on April 12, 2010  11:32am

To Jonathan Hopkins,

Can you provide a link or two on the interesting research you mentioned:

“One interesting development of the past few years has come from the medical and psychology field, which has found that physical violence in children from urban neighborhoods in often derived from auditory levels in cities.”

Thank you.

posted by: Zalman Alpert on April 12, 2010  12:52pm

Having both lived in NH and NYC , I feel much more safe walking the streets of NY and I live in a neighborhood considered the drug center of North America !
New Haven does not need state police , it needs a new political leadership who will follow the example of NY’s former Mayor Rudy Guilliani and address the issue of crime in all its facets starting from quality life issues (noise, trash etc) moving on to aggressive patroling. It seesm to me that NH has created another social service agency rather than a vigorous police force.
The results of NEw York’s policing -  a major overhaul in the City over the last 15 years safe streets, safe neighborhoods , attracting all sorts of retail commerce. etc.In NH safe streets and safe neighborhoods could also solve the retail issues like the demise of Shaws.
Perhaps the Balck leadership can convince the city father that we need more aggressive police tactics , as rabbi Greer and his supporters could not .
How long will all the citizens of NH accept the less than aggressive nature of NH’s police force ? Of course the force needs guidelines and need not be gun crazy , just eager to enforce the law. Can we try this approach ?

posted by: robn on April 12, 2010  1:22pm

Its been almost two years since a bunch of Newhalville teenagers savagely beat an elderly neighbor in broad daylight in the middle of the street and <b>NO<b> witnesses came forward.

<b>Is it really that much of a mystery why the violence continues?<b>

http://www.newhavenindependent.org/index.php/archives/entry/neighbors_still_silent_ministers_call_for_action/

posted by: anon on April 12, 2010  9:18pm

Call in the state police!!! Lets call in the state politicians because the the New Haven politicians have no clue either. I saw Blango one time at a police stop and a drug dealer was getting arrested instead of saying good work to the cops he said to the drug dealer along with another person… Where here to protect you. That does not show being tough on crime.
Let the police fight crime the right way head on!!!! The police are here to PROTECT let them fight crime and keep out of their way!!!! Let the police run the police and the politicians run the city which they have not done.
  There is no reason people should complain when the police are stopping people on the corners where drug activity is at the highest and shootings are common. Stand behind your police and tell them to get these felons and have the prosecutors put them in jail!!!! Bringing in the State police will do nothing!!! They cant control the highway never mind New Haven this is just a political move by some half wit politicians.

posted by: A View from behind the curtain @ 1 union on April 12, 2010  10:12pm

Has anyone seen Curtis Sliwa and/or the Guardian Angels?  They sure talk a good game at the Press Conferences, but they are no where to be found when the action starts.  I don’t think anyone from the NHPD has ever run into them in the street or received any street info from them.

posted by: LaLa on April 12, 2010  10:36pm

people please stop saying that this is “gang on gang” violence! i dont know of any active gangs in New Haven.. there are hoods, but not gangs. and most of the fatal shootings, i am sure are not because of hood rivalry. many young people from different hoods are friends with each other. these shootings happen over individual beefs. the PROBLEM here is that many young people in New Haven know who shot who, but will never tell. there is even talk of who is going to shoot who but no one would ever consider going to the police! beefs just escalate and escalate to murder.

and i agree with the person who said young people feel ignored around here i mean i know things arent as crappy as bridgeport but still it seems everythings about Yale & their students meanwhile the REAL citizens and young people of New Haven are treated as the outsiders?

and no we do not needs more cops.. for what, so they can arrest more young people for weed and give them felonies on their records so they can never make money for the rest of their lives? oh yes very productive.

posted by: kamb on April 13, 2010  4:54am

Let me get this straight . . . New Haven thrugs are shooting each other and its the cops fault? The you want to bring the State Police in to fix the problem? What are the State Police gonna do, give out seatbelt tickets to gun toting thug murders!!!

I have a better idea. NH residents should try to bring up your children and raise them with values ...

posted by: THREEFIFTHS on April 13, 2010  9:08am

posted by: kamb on April 13, 2010 4:54am

I have a better idea. NH residents should try to bring up your children and raise them with values ...

Values. Check these out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HPW9nWjKxg&feature=related

posted by: hhurtz on April 13, 2010  10:32am

Someone remind me: what exactly is the City doing to address the needs of former offenders coming back to New Haven?  The people I talk to tell me that services for ex-offenders are a sad joke.

posted by: Jonathan Hopkins on April 13, 2010  1:36pm

yvonne,
I was made aware of the research through a lecture series from the Rhode Island Department of Health, which over the last decade has been conducting various studies and gathering general information in Providence neighborhoods. They look at asthma rates, crime, child development, air quality, lead poisoning, etc.
The original intent was never to determine causes of violence, but through interviews and observation fueled by curiosity and theory, the group came to the conclusion that high audible levels in neighborhoods contribute to physical behaviors that can develop into a casualness about using force to express one’s self. They measured decibel levels in various parts of various neighborhoods, both indoor and outdoor and with maps of incarcerated people with home addresses they matched up the highest decibel levels with the highest incarceration rates and saw a similar pattern. Generally these were along arterial roads of medium to high density residential/mixed use and in housing projects where traffic and electronic/people generated noise is greatest. It was also determined that children who grew up in high decibel level areas were more likely to have problems in school and in public of becoming aggressive physically whether or not that stayed in this area until adolescence or moved to a lower-decibel area. Alternatively, children who grew up in “lower”-decibel areas but moved to higher decibel areas during adolescence were less likely to have these problems.
There were of course variations, for instance, peer influence can trump an upbringing.
It was observed and realized through interviews that the behavior of using physical “touch” to get attention was most prevalent in high-decibel areas and homes, where in many cases, the interview had to be done in certain places where noise did not drown out voices.
This was coupled with knowledge of sleep deprivation, chronic stress, and frequent “hoarse voice” (some other term was used that I can’t remember) that causes people to speak less and express themselves in ways other than words and their associated problems and behaviors that develop negatively in people.

This was what I had in my notes and what I could remember from a part of one of the lectures, so it may not have been released yet if it was/is in fact a formal study. I will try to find out who exactly this group was and contact them.

posted by: Jones on April 13, 2010  3:20pm

These ministers need to put up or shut up. All they are good at is talking. Here you have grown men crying for the state police to be brought in. They should be organizing to stand on the street corners where the violence is happening and put an end to it themselves. How about picking up your cross. If you believe Jesus died for some good why don’t you do the same. Die to save you children.

These men are not men at all.

posted by: yvonne on April 13, 2010  4:06pm

@Jonathan Hopkins

Thank you so much for your helpful and interesting information.

yvonne

posted by: resident on April 15, 2010  7:17am

I endorse the suggestion that all those very angry men at the rally should go out and stand on a street corner for a few hours in the evening and be a part of the solution. ID the troublemakers.  YOU know who they are! Yelling at a rally is ineffective….

posted by: Theresa G on April 17, 2010  2:52pm

I attend Southern CT State University and I believe that these murders are horrendous and very troubling. This story should definitely be on the headlines as a warning so that everyone keeps a heads up on where there family members are. I have always felt that New Haven was a little unsafe, but I never imagined this.

posted by: Cliff Thornton on April 19, 2010  8:34am

It seems that people still don’t see the connection between gangs, shootings, solutions,
and common sense.  Its the drug war plain and simple.  This has been going on for four decades.  What is your definition for insanity?
Well, mine is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
This problem is only going to get worse.  Lets watch and see.