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Carolina Banks On The Brothers Back Home

by Paul Bass | Jul 4, 2013 11:24 am

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Posted to: Dixwell, Campaign 2013

Paul Bass Photo “I love you!’

“I love you, man!”

“Now put that on your wrist, man. Represent!”

That post-hug conversation took place on Dixwell Avenue the other day.

The hug took place between Democratic mayoral candidate and B-Gill, an old friend who’d been riding by on a motorcycle. The friend stopped, excited to see Carolina. They embraced. Carolina pulled out his stock of campaign wristbands listing his website and the date of the Sept. 10 Democratic mayoral primary. They talked about B-Gill’s life course: How B-Gill “came up with Kerm,” slightly younger, watching him play and coach sports. How B-Gill “made a mistake” early on. How he spent 19 years in jail. How he got out and went straight, found a good job, kept it, landed in a stable relationship with a woman.

“You’re telling a story people need to hear,” Carolina told B-Gill. “Brothers need a second chance to do the right thing.”

That was no random hug. That was no random message, either.

Walk with Carolina along Dixwell Avenue, the area where he grew up, and you get the impression he knows a solid 150 percent of the people living there. People stop him every few steps. He lights up; they light up. They know him from growing up. Or from athletics. Or from his current job as principal of Hillhouse High School. Each, it seems, has a story. Some, like B-Gill, got in trouble. Some are starting to get in trouble, and in some cases finding help or advice from Carolina. Many are below the radar of mainstream New Haven—and of mainstream political calculations.

They represent the force that will make or break 45-year-old Carolina’s outsider quest to succeed retiring 20-term incumbent Mayor John DeStefano. The campaign is counting on hundreds of young people, many of them black or brown, many from the city’s lower-income neighborhoods, to flood the streets in coming weeks pumping Carolina’s candidacy. It is counting on thousands of them registering to vote, then getting to the polls on Sept. 10 with the campaign’s help. It is counting on inspiring them with Carolina’s chief campaign message: That New Haven has to focus its foremost attention on helping marginalized young people get the help they need and older people get a second chance at jobs and a stable life, in order keep everyone safer.

His campaign is not the first to seek to create an army of supporters from among the disenfranchised as a core strategy. It’s not easy. John Daniels’ mayoral campaign did it in 1989. Organizers associated with Yale’s unions and their community allies upped the voting rolls in lower-income neighborhoods in the 2010, 2011, and 2012 election cycles.

Carolina faces potentially well-financed opponents with other advantages to bring to the campaign: One, Toni Harp, a 20-year state senator, has the endorsements of practically the entire Democratic establishment and the highest popularity ratings of any politician in town. Another, Henry Fernandez, is a former city development chief with extensive downtown and national connections. A third, Justin Elicker, has a base among East Rock professionals. (Plumber Sundiata Keitazulu is running, too.)

So, while he’s aiming for lots of different kinds of voters, Carolina can’t win without B-Gill and the other brothers and sisters on the block whom he encountered on his day campaigning in Dixwell—“those who are disenfranchised and forgotten about,” in Carolina’s words. They may represent the hardest voters to reach and pull to the polls. They also, he said, represent the reason he’s reaching for the keys to City Hall.

A “Pathway To Prosperity”

Carolina made his commitment to the brothers and sisters on the block—and his criticisms of his chief perceived rival for their support, Toni Harp—front and center of a pitch that started his campaigning in Dixwell this past Sunday.

He made the pitch at the weekly worship service at New Trinity Temple Church of God In Christ on Dixwell Avenue. Accompanying him to hand out flyers was Colonia Thigpen. A 22-year-old Virginia Union University political science major who grew up on New Haven’s Day Street, Thigpen met Carolina when she was 8 years old. He was her basketball coach in the East Rock Hot Shot summer program.

Attendance was light. A deacon explained that attendance drops this time of year. Also, two ministers associated with Trinity Temple recently formed breakaway congregations in Waterbury and Hartford.

Carolina entered the church to the rousing vocals of the church’s female gospel trio—then had to wait to speak when one of the singers collapsed to the floor. Congregants (pictured) rushed to fan her while the organist ramped up the volume and a minister called for prayer. Firefighters arrived; they brought the woman outside. She revived.

And Carolina took to the pulpit.

He spoke about Martin Luther King and the War on Poverty. He spoke about growing up poor himself in Dixwell. He spoke about attending Wilbur Cross High School and Southern Connecticut State University, about taking the helm of Hillhouse and now seeking the mayoralty of the city.

“I’ve lived here my entire life. My entire life,” Carolina said. “Some of you watched me grow up here. I grew up two blocks from here—two blocks from here in the Ashmun Street projects! … I went to school with many of you in this room.” He proceeded to call out parishioners by name.

“I remember what it was like having to knock on my next door neighbor’s house to borrow two pieces of bread to make a sandwich,” he said, “… finding drug needles in the playground.”

Then Carolina pivoted to his platform. “I’m going to do everything in my power to create a pathway towards prosperity for all people regardless of what their background is,” he said. “God never meant for some to live in wealth or for some to live in abject poverty.”

He talked about children growing up with just one parent in the house—the way he grew up. 

“Let’s be real,” he said. “Our single parents do an amazing job. My mother was a single parent. She did an amazing job. I thank God for her every day. She should not have had to go through that by herself … How do we get the second parent back in the house?”

Before closing, Carolina turned his attention to State Sen. Harp:  “While we’ve been going through what we’ve been going through the past 20 years ... you’ve seen me in the trenches fighting … My question is: Where’s she been? Where was she when we needed somebody to fight against the previous administration?”

Then he referred to her late husband’s house in Bethany, which has remained vacant. When Carolina asked her at a recent debate if she has been living there rather than in New Haven, Harp said no; the family occasionally has parties there, she said. “I don’t have a party house. How many of you have a party house?” he asked the parishioners at Trinity Temple. “It doesn’t sound like that person has an understanding of what we’re going through in this community.” He also touched on a $1.1 million state tax-and-interest debt incurred by her late husband’s real estate company.

“The way you pay your taxes, you should expect everyone to pay taxes,” Carolina declared. “Don’t drink the Kool-Aid. Think about who we’re trying to elect.”

Asked later about Carolina’s pulpit remarks, Harp responded: “Look. My husband owned that house. We never lived there. I don’t own the property. I didn’t before. I don’t know. I think he’s grasping at straws. I filed taxes separately from the day I was married to my husband. I was never involved in his business.” Harp then alluded to a recent grade-tampering controversy at Carolina’s high school, and the fact that Carolina’s wife had a central-office personnel position with the Board of Ed at the time: “He needs to take a look at himself; I’m going to leave it at that. He had personnel matters he was faced with. Given his issues, and that relationship, he would recognize husbands and wives, when they do different jobs, are separate. ... We should really run on issues. I know they’re going to attack me. They perceive I’m the frontrunner. I’ll stand tall and take it. We’ll have to see whether or not people fall for it.”

To which Carolina subsequently responded: “First and foremost, my wife knows what’s going on in the lives of everyone in our household. If our children, or I, were involved in something she didn’t agree with, her character and integrity would not allow her to turn a blind eye. She would challenge us instantly and demand that we do the right thing. She would also refuse to partake in any of the benefits associated with it.”

The Next Voter

Back outside Trinity Temple Sunday after his pulpit remarks, Carolina immediately ran into familiar faces like Linda Mayes.

“What’s up woman?” he asked.

“What’s up with you?”

A campaign was up. Mayes agreed to attend a volunteer meeting this week at Carolina’s new Dixwell Plaza headquarters; she jotted the time in an appointment book.

En route to the Plaza, Carolina elaborated on how his own story dovetails with his platform. This January he had dinner with his birth father—the first time they’d seen each other since Carolina was 3 years old.

“He was in Vietnam. He came back dealing with post-traumatic stress,” Carolina said. “My god requires that I forgive. I don’t have to forget. I have to forgive. I see firsthand what the youth in this city deal with. It’s almost impossible for one parent to go to work everyday and manage the lives of the children.”

Then he bumped into a 14-year-old boy riding bikes with three friends on the sidewalk in front of the shuttered Dixwell Community “Q” House. The kids perked up at seeing Mr. Carolina.

The boy’s mother, who was raising him alone, abandoned him recently, Carolina said after the boys rode off; she has a drug problem. The boy is crashing on his aunt’s couch. The aunt isn’t equipped to raise him. Carolina’s been trying to help him. He’s been giving him a few dollars to do some campaign work. He made an appointment with Youth@Work to see about lining the boy up with a summer job.

The boy has also started hanging out with the Slut Wave gang, Carolina said.

“That kid could become the next shooter,” he observed. “He’s not getting three meals a day or getting nurtured and loved.

“There’s a story behind all of these kids. That young man—if we don’t do something—could become the next shooter.

“These are the types of people who need help the most. If we’re serious about cleaning up the climate of the city, it starts with rolling up our sleeves and getting to the root causes that put people in these situations.”

A mayor, Carolina continued, “has to have the heart for people who are struggling every day to survive. That’s what I bring to the campaign.” He said a mayor can give more than “lip service” to reentry programs for people coming out of jail, can make them a priority. As mayor, he said, he’d also actively help people get pardons and “second chances” so they can find jobs more easily—and, in the case of fathers, more easily share in the responsibility of raising children. He’d make hiring New Haven people more of a priority in government jobs. He’d push for expansion of work and life-skills- training programs like Emerge, which is funded in part by United Way, whose board he sits on. (Read about Emerge here.)

Before he gets the chance to do any of that, Carolina has a lot of wristbands and flyers to hand out.

“Let me make it official,” he said as he handed material to Vern Butler (pictured), who was walking his chihuahua Snoopy in the Plaza. “Represent!”

“I won’t let you down,” Butler promised.

“I’ve got to make sure you represent!” Carolina told Jamal Lockman (pictured) as he handed him one of the bands across the street.

“Hey Ann!” Carolina called to one woman driving by on Dixwell.

“I’m going get Katrell to work on your campaign!” she assured him.

Zenobia Miller greeted Carolina on Ashmun Street from behind the wheel of a Nissan. She’s registered and ready to vote, she said.

Carolina handed a flyer to her passenger, 23-year-old Norman Boone. Boone said he’s not registered. He and Carolina agreed to remedy that.

It turns out Boone fits one of the profiles of the people Carolina promises to help integrate into society as mayor. Boone has struggled over the years; he recently got in serious legal trouble. He has also tried at times to go straight, with some success before returning to life on the streets.

Will Boone show up on the voting rolls, and then at the polls? Can Kermit Carolina in the process convert his personal charisma and a lifetime of relationships into an operation that can upend the current calculus of the mayor’s race?

After his rounds on Dixwell, the candidate headed to Lincoln Bassett Park. So did members of his campaign. A crowd had gathered there for a cook-out, music, and basketball tournament. One of the games featured a reunion team Carolina had coached in 2006 and 2007 in a neighborhood rec league. The team won the championship both years.

The team won again Sunday night. And, Carolina reported, his team left with some 100 new voter registrations.

Previous “On The Campaign Trail With The Candidates” coverage:

Keitazulu Blazes His Own Campaign Trail
Harp Probes The Newhallville Conundrum
Elicker Dives Into Dixwell
Holder-Winfield Walks Miles In His Wing-Tips
Nemerson: Read His Lips
Fernandez: Legislators (Read: Harp) Didn’t Deliver

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posted by: HewNaven on July 4, 2013  11:48am

Harp has the “highest popularity ratings of any politician in town?”

What an absurd and self-defeating claim. Where is the polling data on that one? Harp is not very popular in my neighborhood.

[Editor: Internal campaign polls over the past few years showed her consistently as the top candidate in town when matched against Mayor DeStefano. Polls done by both the DeStefano camp and its opponents. That’s what I based the statement on.]

posted by: HewNaven on July 4, 2013  11:59am

Carolina makes a big point of having grown up in Dixwell. The bigger point might be, why don’t you live there now? The same is true for Harp and Elicker. I would take all 3 more seriously if they didn’t have residential retreats in Westville and East Rock, respectively. I admit those are parts of town that deserve respect and recognition (if not for the tax base alone), but they don’t deserve the political attention that Newhallville, Dixwell, Fair Haven, Hill, etc. require. And those places getting help means that politicians should be embedded in those neighborhoods, living shoulder-to-shoulder with us. Don’t just pay us lip service on the campaign trail and then retreat to a safer neighborhood. Come help us make our neighborhoods as safe as Westville and East Rock.

posted by: HewNaven on July 4, 2013  12:00pm

Thanks, Paul. I’d like to see a new poll anyhow.

posted by: nadir1876 on July 4, 2013  12:30pm

You can fool a lot of the people a lot of the time! How does a guy who drives a luxury car, summers at Martha’s Vineyard, earns six figures, and lives less than a mile from Harp in Westville convince people he “loves” them? Did he love the kid that lost his scholarship at UConn?
As the Bluenotes said: Wake up everybody.

posted by: anonymous on July 4, 2013  12:33pm

Perhaps Harp has the most name recognition among older establishment types, or has received the most votes in her past elections since the 1980s, but HewNaven is correct that there is little evidence to illustrate that she is currently the “most popular” politician in town. Polls that only matched DeStefano against theoretical runs by Harp, Looney, or Clifton Graves two or more years ago are not sufficient evidence to make that claim. Furthermore, they are many years out of date (especially as voters learn more about Harp’s Keno vote and what the Democracy Fund is), rarely involved candidates being compared to one another in a meaningful way, and never included the current list of candidates.

posted by: Just a Question on July 4, 2013  12:34pm

I want to know what Carolina has done to help the students that lost their scholarships because of the cheating scandal. Has he ever addressed this?

posted by: Thomas Alfred Paine on July 4, 2013  2:03pm

I follow the news stories about the mayoral campaign in the New haven Independent quite closely. I have noticed that there have been many reports highlighting the Carolina campaign, many more than other candidates. Finding out about all the candidates and their positions on the major issues is important to me and others in this city who desire to make an informed decision when we vote. It appears that the Independent has an affinity for Mr. Carolina that has crossed the lines of journalistic impartiality. Count the numbers of leading stories about each candidate in this race in the last 4 to 5 weeks. Does the NHI slant toward promoting one candidate or is it an equal opportunity reporter of each candidate in the race? Please do an internal poll in answer to that question. We just want fair, unbiased reporting of all the candidates.

posted by: cp06 on July 4, 2013  3:06pm

“Will Boone show up on the voting rolls, and then at the polls?”

It depends if his voting rights have been restored after a “Carrying a pistol without a permit” charge as well as a charge of “Illegal Possession of a Weapon in a Motor Vehicle.”  Others that are mentioned in this story have charges (public information, anyone can look it up on the internet and so I hope my comment isn’t censored) but I feel this one deserves to be noticed as it is a much more dangerous offense than a small drug offense, a problem that plagues New Haven even as the city prospers in other areas.

posted by: HhE on July 5, 2013  1:47am

I was wonder what kind of “mistake” nets one 19 years in Connecticut.  I dated a woman who had been raped and left for dead, and the villain got six years.

posted by: Curious on July 5, 2013  7:44am

Thomas Alfred Paine, I think you are experiencing the effects of bias.  We all think our candidates aren’t getting enough press, or enough good press, compared to some others.

The fact that you think NHI is favoring Carolina while I think it’s in the tank for Harp are perfect evidence for that.

I bet if you were to total up the stories, they’d come out about even.

posted by: Curious on July 5, 2013  7:45am

Amen to this….

“First and foremost, my wife knows what’s going on in the lives of everyone in our household. If our children, or I, were involved in something she didn’t agree with, her character and integrity would not allow her to turn a blind eye. She would challenge us instantly and demand that we do the right thing. She would also refuse to partake in any of the benefits associated with it.”

posted by: Tell the Truth & Shame the Devil on July 5, 2013  8:56am

@  Curious.. so then,  what did his wife say when he was grade tampering and running the life of those innocent high-school students?  Should she be held accountable for that?

posted by: Thomas Alfred Paine on July 5, 2013  11:33am

Curious, I have not yet made a final decision on who I will support in the mayoral race. I simply expressed by observation on what I have read in the NHI. There were about three or four stories back to back about Mr. Carolina in less than a week. I did not see such coverage for any other candidates. Only Mr. Bass can provide the evidence to determine the winner of your bet with me.

[Editor: We have done a series of stories following each candidate on the campaign trail. The piece with Carolina was the final piece in that series. If you scroll to the bottom you will find links to the other stories in the series. If you scroll down our archive of campaign stories, you will indeed find more headlines about Carolina this past week. You will find more headlines about Henry Fernandez on another week. You will find more headlines about Toni Harp and Justin Elicker on other weeks. It’s a long campaign—some candidates will be in the news more than others some of the time; we will end up catching up with some candidates more on some weeks, others on other weeks. Taking a one-week snapshot will inevitably give you a difference answer each week. We do not support any one candidate over another, nor will we.]

posted by: Threefifths on July 5, 2013  3:12pm

posted by: Tell the Truth & Shame the Devil on July 5, 2013 8:56am
@  Curious.. so then,  what did his wife say when he was grade tampering and running the life of those innocent high-school students?  Should she be held accountable for that?


The case is still in arbitration.

How about Harps campaign manager record.

Tell the Truth & Shame the Devil

State Rep. Jason Bartlett arrested for
driving related charges (CT)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2389315/posts

posted by: Tell the Truth & Shame the Devil on July 6, 2013  2:06am

@ threefifths
that article is from 2009 and he is not running for mayor. 
Mr. Carolina’s grade tampering is current and has ruined the educational lives of New Haven youths.  The evidence is walking and talking,  currently.  This also has a trickle down affect on all graduating students from Hillhouse.  the transcripts are being scrutinized more so than before,  which may create hardships for future college bound New Haven youth.  Whether it’s in arbitration or not,  the damage is done,  the reputation is tarnished.
The history of that campaign to continuously TRY to point blame elsewhere,  instead of addressing the issues at hand is hilarious and confirms what most already perceive…

posted by: Threefifths on July 6, 2013  10:42pm

posted by: Tell the Truth & Shame the Devil on July 6, 2013 2:06am
@ threefifths
that article is from 2009 and he is not running for mayor. 


Show me your friends and I will show you who you are.


Mr. Carolina’s grade tampering is current and has ruined the educational lives of New Haven youths.  The evidence is walking and talking,  currently.  This also has a trickle down affect on all graduating students from Hillhouse.  the transcripts are being scrutinized more so than before,  which may create hardships for future college bound New Haven youth.  Whether it’s in arbitration or not,  the damage is done,  the reputation is tarnished.

Sorry arbitration still means the case is open.One has the right to appeal there case.You said the damage is done,  the reputation is tarnished.What if he wins in arbitration.What you should be looking at is the person who said he did the grade tampering and ask the person when is there lawsuit going to be heard.

posted by: Threefifths on July 7, 2013  9:32am

@Tell the Truth & Shame the Devil

My bad.Have we forgot how Harp Endorse Gary Winfield and then turn around and run against him.Some perceive this as what Judas Iscariot kiss and betrayal of Jesus or.

http://youtu.be/oqaFQBsDs6c

http://youtu.be/Az_A0-AwdEQ

posted by: Thomas Alfred Paine on July 7, 2013  3:04pm

Shame on the leadership of New Trinity Church of God in Christ for allowing this politician to enter their pulpit on a Sunday morning and slander another politician. Churches have become accustomed to allowing political leaders to speak to their congregations during political campaigns. Politicians may speak about their programs, their platform, their goals, but they should not be permitted to engage in negative campaigning in the churches. What Carolina did was stand up in the church, a church that will not even allow women ministers to speak from the pulpit, and engage in gossip and slander against another person.
Churches and church leaders should never publicly endorse candidates. That is not their place, purpose or calling. Here is the reason why. In any church in this city, there are members of the congregation who support several different candidates. If the leadership endorses any single candidate, that will create strife,offense, division and contention in the church. How did Trinity Temple supporters of Toni Harp feel about Carolina’s negative comments? If a church provides a forum for a politician to speak, they should be prepared to allow all of the candidates to speak. This could pose a dilemma for the churches. That is why they probably should stay out of politics, because politics is by its very nature divisive and can become quite dirty and nasty.
Churches should probably acknowledge visiting politicians and welcome them to join in worship at some point in the service, not let any of them speak at all, and proceed with their service of praise and preaching as usual without anyone from the media interrupting the service and photographing members passed out on the floor.

posted by: ElmCityVoice on July 7, 2013  4:49pm

Thank you Thomas Alfred Paine. Religious institutions should not allow themselves to be used as pulpits for politicians. I also wonder why Kermit is so intent on hurling destructive criticism at Toni. After 12 years with one mayor, isn’t it high time for some intelligent issue discussion instead of mud slinging? Can we talk about housing, education, health services, development, neighborhoods, violence, children, playgrounds, police, fire, unions, the positives and the repercussions that any change will bring? Isn’t that what we want to know about the candidates? I, for one, don’t really care how they feel about each other.

posted by: Tell the Truth & Shame the Devil on July 7, 2013  7:00pm

@Three Fifths
The grade tampering was substantiated, that’s why he was suspended.  While there may still be arbitration (which as I hear doesnt look good), there are students who have permanently LOST FULL SCHOLARSHIPS TO COLLEGE!  There is no excuse, nor forgiveness for ruining the future of 17-18 yr old youths. 
GWH is supporting Sen. Harp.  If anyone knows GWH, he is not the one to roll over and kiss the ring.  He acknowledges whats best for the whole and keeps it moving.  He could have joined any campaign he wanted…he chose Sen. Harp! 
@Thomas Alfred Paine, thank you for your unbiased honesty.  It is truly a shame, because everyone knows what that was about.  He is not standing up in any other African American church in New Haven spewing that slander, THAT ISNT EVEN TRUE!!!!!
I actually hope he continues his slander, because it’s only alienating him and loosing undecided votes!  As with the youths he ruined, it’s too late…we’ve seen “the skin he got in the game”...pathetic.

posted by: Threefifths on July 7, 2013  7:59pm

posted by: Tell the Truth & Shame the Devil on July 7, 2013 7:00pm
@Three Fifths
The grade tampering was substantiated, that’s why he was suspended.  While there may still be arbitration (which as I hear doesnt look good), there are students who have permanently LOST FULL SCHOLARSHIPS TO COLLEGE!  There is no excuse, nor forgiveness for ruining the future of 17-18 yr old youths. 

Did you read the report prepared by Attorney Floyd Dugas.Read page 14 Mrs. Joyner made allegations regarding improper grade changes pertaining to two students. In both cases the allegations were determined to be UNSUBSTANTIATED (see the top of page 14 of the report). In another instance Mrs. Joyner made an allegation that a student was issued a grade for a course prior to the completion of the course. After the investigator spoke with the teacher that allegation was found to be UNSUBSTANTIATED (see the first paragraph on page 20 of the report). In both instances all Mrs. Love-Joyner had to do, in her role as assistant principal, was inquire about these discrepancies in the same manner as the investigator. Doesn’t Mrs. Love-Joyner’s action raise the slightest bit of concern for the opinion staff regarding her motive?Mrs. Love-Joyner also made an allegation that a student was granted 3 credits for work experience and Principal Carolina authorized the granting of such credit before confirming that the work was done. The investigator found that the student did in fact work the sufficient number of hours to receive the credit and therefore found Joyner’s claim to be UNSUBSTANTIATED (see second paragraph on page 19)Mrs. Love-Joyner also made an allegation that a student was granted 3 credits for work experience and Principal Carolina authorized the granting of such credit before confirming that the work was done. The investigator found that the student did in fact work the sufficient number of hours to receive the credit and therefore found Joyner’s claim to be UNSUBSTANTIATED.

posted by: Threefifths on July 7, 2013  8:07pm

Part two.@Tell the Truth & Shame the Devil
Mrs. Love-Joyner’s claim regarding grades that were wiped out of the grade reporting computer system was never substantiated by Attorney Dugas. In fact on the final page of the report Attorney Dugas admits that there was no specific evidence of teachers being coerced into changing grades for student-athletes (see page 28 of the report).

New Suspect Named In Grade-Changing Probe.

http://www.newhavenindependent.org/index.php/archives/entry/grade-fixing_probe_uncovers_new_possible_suspect/

 

You need to read the report.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/104113067/Hillhouse-Inv-Report

My bad. Can you tell me what is happing with this.


New Haven school administrator files lawsuit against Hillhouse principal (document, video)

Published: Wednesday, September 19, 2012


http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2012/09/19/news/new_haven/doc505910d3d9f14392966082.txt

posted by: Tell the Truth & Shame the Devil on July 7, 2013  8:43pm

@Three Fifths
...doth thou protest too much, methinks.

There are young lives who are irrevocably ruined.  Does this fact matter more than a report?  The arbitrations will come to an end and have a result.  BUT what about the lives ruined.  Lives that have just started to live!

This is the last I will “discuss” this with you. 

If the allegations were not true the students would still be in the places they should be.  There would be no punishment on the students, but there are!

Where there is smoke, there is fire. And when the candidate and some supporters continuously throw erroneous rants toward only one candidate, i.e. the video posted on this page from Trinity Temple, it brings to light how desperation and iniquitous rants seem to characterize campaigns which have no substance or merits of their own.

posted by: Threefifths on July 8, 2013  9:32am

posted by: Tell the Truth & Shame the Devil on July 7, 2013 8:43pm
@Three Fifths
...doth thou protest too much, methinks.

There are young lives who are irrevocably ruined.  Does this fact matter more than a report?  The arbitrations will come to an end and have a result.  BUT what about the lives ruined.  Lives that have just started to live!

So why is this not in the repeort?


If the allegations were not true the students would still be in the places they should be.  There would be no punishment on the students, but there are!

Were is the allegations.Were can we read these allegations.None of these allegations are in the report.


Where there is smoke, there is fire. And when the candidate and some supporters continuously throw erroneous rants toward only one candidate, i.e. the video posted on this page from Trinity Temple, it brings to light how desperation and iniquitous rants seem to characterize campaigns which have no substance or merits of their own.

You are right about that. Where there is smoke, there is fire.Maybe you should ask Mrs. Joyner who made allegations regarding improper grade changes pertaining to two students. In both cases the allegations were determined to be UNSUBSTANTIATED.

Minds are like parachutes - they only function when open.

posted by: westville man on July 8, 2013  3:20pm

Nadir1876- welcome to the “Carolina Haters Club”.  You and Tell the Truth and few others who only write to demean him.
But just a few “stubborn” facts:

1.  It’s a 7 year old SUV- sure, a luxury brand but a used vehicle worth the price of a new toyota or Buick;
2. He doesnt, and hasnt, vacationed in Martha’s Vineyard.  Some of his friends do though!
3. He lives in a very nice, modest home in Westville - near Harp, yes; but sadly no “party” houses in Bethany.

Keep up the hatchet job though. I’ll keep correcting you.

posted by: Tell the Truth & Shame the Devil on July 8, 2013  4:32pm

@ThreeFifths & @Westville Man
Why have neither of you mentioned the young lives that have been ruined? 
Kermit and His supporters, including you, continue to try and place a shadow over the Senator concerning things that are ENTIRELY wrong about. 
If you want to address the issues, address the educations lost and lives ruined behind the grade changing that happened on his watch.
Address the school climate surveys.
Present policy that will move our city forward, rather than constantly trying to derail a fellow candidate who, like your candidate, is trying to better this city.
So far, the city is waiting to see Kermits policies, versus hearing his story constantly which offers no policy, and hearing him talk about skin in the game and boots on the ground.  What plan? Commuter tax, which will never pass?  Bring forth the PLAN!

posted by: Threefifths on July 8, 2013  8:00pm

posted by: Tell the Truth & Shame the Devil on July 8, 2013 4:32pm
@ThreeFifths & @Westville Man
Why have neither of you mentioned the young lives that have been ruined? 

I can not comment on something that I have not see proof of.But I can comment on what I saw at the Community Outreach Center and Elks Club. I saw former students of his most who are Graduates from Ivy league schools like Georgetown NYU Brooklyn law and Howard,Spellman.In fact if you would like to see them come to the meetings.Now when are you going to address Mrs. Joyner who made allegations regarding improper grade changes pertaining to two students. In both cases the allegations were determined to be UNSUBSTANTIATED.I will wait for your Answer.

P.S. My Bad. Notice How Kermit used Black business to hold his rallys.I wonder when Harp will do the same thing.

posted by: westville man on July 9, 2013  12:40pm

Tell The Truth-  OK, I will help you along only IF you agree to do some basic research on this. My instincts tell me its a waste of time, but here goes:

1.  For the PLAN, as you call it, please read Kermit’s platform found on his website - carolinaformayor.com.  He will also be rolling out others specifics on several issues this week. 
2. The students you are worried about need to address their predicaments with King John. The road to trying to pin “something” on Kermit was long and tortuous and is not over. Please read Kermit’s response- it’s very detailed and you can find it on this site- NHI has a link to it in the 9/11/12 article on Kermit calling for an NAACP probe. The whole incident cannot be glossed over with buzz words. Take the time to read his response objectively.

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