Police: Civilian Drives At Cops, Gets Shot

"The suspect has an extensive criminal record, according to the state judicial database, including convictions on narcotics and larceny offenses committed in Orange, Milford, Branford, Hamden, and West Haven."
So why in the world is he out and about to cause such chaos! Sickening.

poor man, just slap his hand and tell him not to do that. with a record like his we should give him a 2nd chance!!

I love when people say that a person has a record.How about the cops who have a records and there records cost the taxpayers big money.

EXCLUSIVE: Detective is NYPD's most-sued cop, with 28 lawsuits filed against him since 2006

They're the NYPD's most-sued cops, and Peter Valentin's their king.

Valentin, a hard-charging Bronx narcotics detective whose online handle is "PistolPete," has been sued a stunning 28 times since 2006 on allegations of running slash-and-burn raids that left dozens of lives in ruins while resulting in few criminal convictions.The city has paid out $884,000 to settle cases naming the stocky, 36-year-old detective, but he doesn't seem too concerned.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/lawsuits-nypd-double-decade-costing-taxpayers-1b-article-1.1615919

Cost of Police-Misconduct Cases Soars in Big U.S. Cities

Data show rising payouts for police-misconduct settlements and court judgments

The cost of resolving police-misconduct cases has surged for big U.S. cities in recent years, even before the current wave of scrutiny faced by law-enforcement over tactics.

The 10 cities with the largest police departments paid out $248.7 million last year in settlements and court judgments in police-misconduct cases, up 48% from $168.3 million in 2010, according to data gathered by The Wall Street Journal through public-records requests.

Those cities collectively paid out $1.02 billion over those five years in such cases, which include alleged beatings, shootings and wrongful imprisonment.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/cost-of-police-misconduct-cases-soars-in-big-u-s-cities-1437013834

What is the NHI policy on giving indicators on those who commit crimes? I have seen the Independent refer to the race of those alleged of crimes, but never when the person is white. In this case, we have a white career criminal drug abuser playing Grand Theft Auto in the streets of New Haven, but we can't call him who he is?

[Ed.: Our policy is not to mention race unless it's relevant -- for instance, if police are looking for a dangerous person and need the public's help, we will include the race in the description. We rarely if ever mention the race otherwise. One exception I could imagine is if race is part of the narrative, for instance someone complaining about being treated badly because of his race. We also refrain from running mug shots unless, again, there's a compelling public-interest reason to make an exception. ]

@threefifths.... What does your comment have to do with this case? I'll tell you what it has to do: nothing! The person had a prior record, the police apprehended him. I would suggest going to get the other two-fifths of facts then come back with something intelligent to add to the comments.

posted by: tcc036 on September 6, 2016 3:20pm

@threefifths…. What does your comment have to do with this case? I'll tell you what it has to do: nothing! The person had a prior record, the police apprehended him. I would suggest going to get the other two-fifths of facts then come back with something intelligent to add to the comments.

What does it have to do with this case is like I said I love when people say that a person has a record.How about the cops who have a records and there records cost the taxpayers big money.How do we know the cop who shot him does not have a record of complains.My poit as I posted was to show that cops do have records also.You seem to over look that.

My bad what if this turns out to be a bad shoot by the officer.

@threefifths I just want to make sure I understand you correctly. You wrote, "What does it have to do with this case is like I said I love when people say that a person has a record.How about the cops who have a records and there records cost the taxpayers big money.How do we know the cop who shot him does not have a record of complains.My poit as I posted was to show that cops do have records also.You seem to over look that.

My bad what if this turns out to be a bad shoot by the officer."

I believe you meant is:
What does it have to do with this case? It's like I said, I love when people say that a person has a record. How about the cops who have a records and their records cost the taxpayers big money? How do we know the cop who shot him does not have a record of complaints? My point, as I posted, was to show that cops do have records, also.You seem to overlook that.

My bad. What if this turns out to be a bad shoot by the officer?

The article states that Guilford Police put out a bulletin regarding the robbery. Now, just to clarify, Robbery is defined as theft with the use of force, or the threat to use force.

So the officers saw someone who fit the description of the robbery and pursued him. The individual also had a record. At 50, it's not normal practice for citizens to just become criminals. That's psych 101. He allegedly committed another robbery in New Haven. Keep in mind, Robbery is theft with the use of, or the threat of force.

We're potentially up to two robberies, now. Normal behavior, eh?!

The suspect is then located in the Church Street South housing complex. The suspect is also seen "smoking something". As a New Haven resident, I'm well aware of the illustrious history regarding this place. Aside from being one of the most alluring areas of NH, it's also a hotbed from drug dealers to sell to drug users.

Maybe the suspect bought some drugs with his winnings from the two robberies?!

Now, considering the suspects actions so far, he clearly has no problem with using force or threatening to use it.

Now, I can't claim to be an expert, but I do know if a vehicle hits a human, it could kill them. Perhaps that's what the suspect was trying to do! And if he was, should the officer just let the suspect kill him?!

It makes sense to protect yourself, but maybe that's me. Maybe that officer had a family they want to see again, so they made a decision to not let somebody who might be armed and high on drugs to take his/her life.

Your argument is moot. Instead of using the other 2/5's debating, I would start by cleaning up your grammar.

@threefifths

What if it turns out NOT to be a bad shoot? What if we all just wait and see - on both sides? That the man who was shot has a lengthy criminal history doesn't mean that his being shot was necessarily justifiable; that he was shot by a police officer doesn't mean the officer has a history of using excessive force. The facts that matter, and that should contribute to any conclusions, are the facts of what happened today.

The high profile cases we see in the media (reference your detective, Mr. Fifths) represent a mere fraction of the daily goings-on in law enforcement in America. I know we all might pop with anticipation, but what if we withheld judgment (and comments) until the facts came in?

@tcc036

While I agree with the substance of your comments wholeheartedly, I take issue with one aspect, and feel compelled to clarify another. First off, the NHI has a policy of no personal attacks, so I'm surprised that your pointed grammar lesson made it past the moderator. The lowered bar not withstanding, you seem rather intelligent, and therefore above such a petty attack.

Secondly, and forgive me if you already know this, but the moniker three-fifths refers to the Three Fifths Compromise prior to the Civil War in which southern slave holders agreed to let each of their slaves be counted as three-fifths of a person as it pertained to the census. The population of the South was way higher than that of the North, but for legislative (and therefore appropriations) purposes, it appeared to be much lower because slave holders refused to acknowledge the humanity of their slaves. Their compromise was to acknowledge that each slave could be counted as three-fifths of a human. This got their census numbers up without having to fully attest that they were enslaving actual human beings. Therefore, the witty observations about securing the other two-fifths prior to commenting make you appear unaware of the origin of Mr. Fifth's screen name. I would hate for your valuable contribution to this conversation to be dismissed or diminished because of a seeming lack of understanding on your part.

Anyone?
http://www.nhregister.com/general-news/20140817/emma-jones-relives-97-east-haven-police-shooting-of-son-malik-in-ferguson-case

Robn- not sure what you are asking "anyone" by citing an article on Malik Jones and his mother's still present pain over his killing....

posted by: Making Light on September 6, 2016 8:22pm

@threefifths

The high profile cases we see in the media (reference your detective, Mr. Fifths) represent a mere fraction of the daily goings-on in law enforcement in America. I know we all might pop with anticipation, but what if we withheld judgment (and comments) until the facts came in?

Not when it comes to people of color. Also Like Frank Serpico said.Even today the The Police Are Still Out of Control
I should know.
By FRANK SERPICO
October 23, 2014

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/10/the-police-are-still-out-of-control-112160_full.html#.V9BagmeFO1s


Secondly, and forgive me if you already know this, but the moniker three-fifths refers to the Three Fifths Compromise prior to the Civil War in which southern slave holders agreed to let each of their slaves be counted as three-fifths of a person as it pertained to the census.

Correct.In fact you may be the first to know this.

My bad.You may have forgot that the police came out of the slave patrols

A Brief History of Slavery and the Origins of American Policing

Written by Victor E. Kappeler, Ph.D.

The birth and development of the American police can be traced to a multitude of historical, legal and political-economic conditions. The institution of slavery and the control of minorities, however, were two of the more formidable historic features of American society shaping early policing. Slave patrols and Night Watches, which later became modern police departments, were both designed to control the behaviors of minorities.

The True History of the Origins of Police: Protecting and Serving the Masters of Society

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/true-history-origins-police-protecting-and-serving-masters-society
http://plsonline.eku.edu/insidelook/brief-history-slavery-and-origins-american-policing

3/5,

No, no, and no again. The first "night watch" police forces were formed in New England in the early 1600s; 100s of years prior to that mentioned by the shoddy journalism that you mention.

WVM,

It's a similar narrative, no?

posted by: robn on September 7, 2016 5:45pm

3/5,

No, no, and no again. The first "night watch" police forces were formed in New England in the early 1600s; 100s of years prior to that mentioned by the shoddy journalism that you mention.

Are you saying that there was no slave patrols?

3/5,

When you quote stuff that's incorrect (implying that the original police forces in the US were slave patrols) you should expect to be corrected. Slave patrols existed, but they are not the origin of US policing.

Robn- fact patterns differ greatly and Jones ended up dead and the Branford man didnt. Other than that, I guess you could say so.