Hillary Wins Big; Trump Ties Stein

Allan Appel PhotoJefrey Lopez, whose family hails from Mexico, decided he might vote for Donald Trump because it might result in a free trip back home.

Then he thought better of it.

He made the joke, and then the vote, as he and his 27 classmates in Laura Generoso’s eighth grade class participated in East Rock Community Magnet School‘s mock presidential election Tuesday, one week before Connecticut’s adults cast their own ballots in the official main event.

The election, at least at East Rock School, turned out not to be close.

Democratic Hillary Clinton won in a landslide, with 209 votes. Republican Trump won 19 votes, Green Jill Stein 19; and Gary Johnson 16.

Polls opened at precisely 8:52 a.m. and stayed open until 2:10 p.m. The school-wide ballots — third through eighth-graders voted — were counted by veteran journalist and school newspaper adviser Laura Pappano.

The election team crew at the school’s famous newspaper, The East Rock Record, began covering the election back during the primaries.

The newspaper’s election team, including eighth-grader James Maciel-Andrews, distributed candidate fact sheets and bullet points on the four main presidential candidates’ positions and created posters to stimulate interest in the mock election.

Teacher Generoso showed her class clips of the Clinton-Trump debates. The kids discussed debating strategies employed by each candidate.

All the partisan posters turned out to be for Hillary. So James decided — in his capacity as a member of the paper’s election crew — that Donald Trump deserved at least one poster.

Even though Trump’s racist comments made him very much anti-Trump, “I did it out of fairness,” James declared during the early voting at one of the two polling stations at the school.

Voting was brisk among the third and fourth graders, as Joe Lewis, advisor to the student council, made sure the one-kid-one vote standard was maintained.

Then he helped pin an “I voted” sticker on Isabel Faustino and each of the school’s good citizens.

Lewis said that in the run-up to today’s voting he’d noticed that there was much discussion, some of it tinged with anxiety about issues raised by the Republican candidate.

“It’s crazy to vote for Trump,” he paraphrased students saying in the cafeteria. “Kids are asking if Trump is elected, some kids fear their fathers will be deported.:

That was Generoso’s take at the second polling place in the corridor outside her classroom, as she let three kids at a time out of class to cast their ballots for president.

In the Independent‘s brief exit survey of some of these eighth-grade voters, it was pretty clear most were Hillary supporters, but for different reasons and based on different issues.

For example, DaVona Benson said she voted for Hillary because the other candidate was “someone who’s against” people of certain religions.

A “Girl President”

“Hillary and Trump both have problems,” said Riccai Smith, but she said considers Trump’s problems worse. In the end, the biggest factor determining her vote was wanting “a female president.”

Tuphen Outsolo seconded Riccai’s recommendation.

Her teacher, Generoso, mentioned that Tuphen’s from the Democratic Republic of Congo. Many immigrant students in her class, during discussions, expressed real fears that their families might be seriously affected by a Trump victory.

Tuphen’s take was more straightforward. She voted for Hillary because, as she put it, girls don’t get paid as much as boys, and we need “a girl president.”

For eighth-graders Aboubakar Kourouma, Shiv Patel, and Abdir Ashid misogyny, name-calling and immigrant-bashing and fairness all mattered.

Abdir said he didn’t like Trump’s “thoughts about our females.”

Aboubakar, who has worked as a reporter on the East Rock Record, cited Trump’s name-calling as particular offensive. Shiv Patel said that he was bothered because Trump said “he’d accept the results only if he won.”

Aboubakar chimed in that this was an example of “bad sportsmanship.”

As he waited his turn to vote, Shiv said that while their kid votes obviously don’t count in the real election, “we kids are affected.”

Let Kids Vote For Real?

Riccai Smith took that idea further. She said she liked the mock election and had learned a lot about the candidates. She argued that perhaps the election should not be so mock in the future.

The kids debated the issue outside of the polling place.

“We have the maturity,” Riccai said.

Bryce appeared to be a tad skeptical. “Some of us do,” he said.

Riccai then modified her position. “The school should give recommendations,” she said: Give out passes or certifications as to which of the kids are mature enough to vote, and then they should be allowed to vote, even as 13-year-olds.

Who decides who is mature and who isn’t? asked a reporter.

They debated those maturity recommendations should come both from teachers and others in the school or from parents as well. They agreed that both sources might contribute.

“That’s an opinion piece,” said Pappano, suggesting the kids consider writing one for the Record in its post-election analysis issue.

Twenty-seven hands went up in Generoso’s classes from students indicating they had voted for Hillary.

Did anyone vote for another candidate? the teacher asked.

One boy raised his hand that he had not voted for Clinton. However, he did not reveal whom he voted for, and the press did not press him.

Generoso praised the exercise: “The seventh graders don’t fully understand the issues, but they’re scared. They have valid concerns. Some are afraid their parents will get deported. It’s important they have an outlet” through the mock election and related classroom discussion.”

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posted by: Bradley on November 2, 2016  12:49pm

According to the website FiveThirtyEignt, there is an 11% chance of Clinton winning the popular vote but losing the Electoral College vote. If this happens, it will in part be due to the geographical clustering reflected in this poll. New Haven and Connecticut are overwhelming Democrat. But Clinton will still only get seven electoral votes from the state. She would be better off if several tens of thousands of Connecticut Democrats were to move to Ohio or North Carolina.

posted by: THREEFIFTHS on November 2, 2016  5:19pm

posted by: Bradley on November 2, 2016 1:49pm

According to the website FiveThirtyEignt, there is an 11% chance of Clinton winning the popular vote but losing the Electoral College vote

FiveThirtyEignt

Nov 2, 2016 at 5:33 PM
Most Voters Haven’t Changed Their Minds All Year

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/most-voters-havent-changed-their-minds-all-year/?ex_cid=2016-forecast

posted by: Bradley on November 2, 2016  7:52pm

3/5ths, the two statements do not contradict each other. Even without looking at the data, I can believe that most voters have not changed their minds. But enough have to jeopardize Clinton’s chances, and increase the odds of her winning the popular vote but not the election.

posted by: THREEFIFTHS on November 3, 2016  11:36am

posted by: Bradley on November 2, 2016 1:49pm

But Clinton will still only get seven electoral votes from the state. She would be better off if several tens of thousands of Connecticut Democrats were to move to Ohio or North Carolina.

I forgot this.They are already there.

Why are there more New Yorkers in North Carolina than Texas?

http://demography.cpc.unc.edu/2014/08/18/why-are-there-more-new-yorkers-in-north-carolina-than-texas/

For New Life, Blacks in City Head to South

Candace Wilkins, 27, left, of St. Albans, Queens, with her mother, right, and her grandmother. Ms. Wilkins plans to move to Charlotte, N.C

In the South, I can buy a big house with a garden compared with the shoe box my retirement savings will buy me in New York,” she said.The Rev. Floyd H. Flake, pastor of the 23,000-member Greater Allen African Methodist Episcopal Cathedral in Jamaica, Queens, said he was losing hundreds of congregants yearly to Florida, Georgia, North Carolina and Virginia.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/22/nyregion/many-black-new-yorkers-are-moving-to-the-south.html

Florida’s Changing Latino Population Veers From G.O.P.

“I chose Democrat,” said Mr. Del Valle, 34, who lives in St. Cloud, in the Orlando area, and who represents one big reason Florida’s Latinos are no longer a predictably Republican vote: the fast-growing Puerto Rican population.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/03/us/hispanic-voters-florida-republicans.html?_r=0

So how do you think Trump can Flip a Blue State.He needs that to win.


My bad I will be voting Jill Stein.

posted by: Nashstreeter on November 3, 2016  1:49pm

threefifths
It’s a pretty simple fact that the election will be won only by either Clinton or Trump. To vote for anyone else is to not care which of those two will win. If you are convinced that there’s no difference between them, then you’ll be happy with whichever one wins.

posted by: THREEFIFTHS on November 3, 2016  6:11pm

by: Nashstreeter on November 3, 2016 2:49pm

threefifths
It’s a pretty simple fact that the election will be won only by either Clinton or Trump. To vote for anyone else is to not care which of those two will win. If you are convinced that there’s no difference between them, then you’ll be happy with whichever one wins.

It is a fact that the election will be won only by either Clinton or Trump. But This is why we must get rid of the crooked two party system.The winner-takes-all system discourages voters from choosing third party or independent candidates, and over time the process becomes entrenched so that only two major parties become viable.


Even Dr.king did not trust both parties.

Both political parties have betrayed the cause of justice. The Democrats have betrayed it by capitulating to the prejudice, and undemocratic practices of the Southern Dixiecrats . The Republicans have betrayed it by capitulating to the blatant hypocrisy of the right wing reactionary Northerners——-DR. KING

posted by: Nashstreeter on November 3, 2016  9:08pm

3/5—I don’t know. You just don’t seem to be the kind of guy who would be indifferent to the amount of suffering a Donald Trump could inflict on this country. 4-8 years’ worth of vicious supreme court judges appointed, deportation of immigrants, police monitoring an entire religious group, etc. 
Do you really think that your vote for Jill Stein at this moment will hasten the demise of the “crooked two-party system”?  And do you think that a 3 or 4 or 5 party system would be any less “crooked”?
I for one think that a Trump presidency would do a lot of damage, and that’s why I want to try to stop it now, not go back and pick up the debris and try to rebuild what he has destroyed.
As Obama said today, “There is a time when history is moveable.”

posted by: THREEFIFTHS on November 4, 2016  8:56am

posted by: Nashstreeter on November 3, 2016 10:08pm

3/5—I don’t know. You just don’t seem to be the kind of guy who would be indifferent to the amount of suffering a Donald Trump could inflict on this country. 4-8 years’ worth of vicious supreme court judges appointed, deportation of immigrants, police monitoring an entire religious group, etc. 

I am not that type of person.But the Blame is on the way the election system is control by the two party system.Read Duverger’s Law of of 2-party domination.

https://youtu.be/aqgggsdR1ik

Do you really think that your vote for Jill Stein at this moment will hasten the demise of the “crooked two-party system”?  And do you think that a 3 or 4 or 5 party system would be any less “crooked”?

A lot of people are voting third party so the party can gained an automatic ballot.Also as far as any less “crooked” The people have not give the third party a chance.look at here in New haven under the Democrats.look at this state under Democrat Dan Malloy. What have you got.

In fact by voting for Jill Stein you do not have to vote for the lesser of two evils.


The two-party system is a bad joke on the American people; when it comes to Republicans and Democrats remember they are two sides of the same coin. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil and not an answer to our problems. A vote for a Republican or a Democrat will not fix anything and is a wasted vote.


Aaron Russo