Police Recruits Learn Nonviolence 101

How can you teach Nonviolence 101 when officers of color arcoss this country face violence from there white officers that they work with.

Off duty, black cops in New York feel threat from fellow police .


Reuters interviewed 25 African American male officers on the NYPD, 15 of whom are retired and 10 of whom are still serving. All but one said that, when off duty and out of uniform, they had been victims of racial profiling, which refers to using race or ethnicity as grounds for suspecting someone of having committed a crime. The officers said this included being pulled over for no reason, having their heads slammed against their cars, getting guns brandished in their faces, being thrown into prison vans and experiencing stop and frisks while shopping. The majority of the officers said they had been pulled over multiple times while driving. Five had had guns pulled on them.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-police-nypd-race-insight-idUSKBN0K11EV20141223

They even pulled over a Black Off-Duty NYPD Police Chief.

Cop Harasses Off-Duty NYPD Police Chief Who He Didn't Recognize

Zeigler is the highest-ranking African American officer in the NYPD. He says point blank that he was the victim of racial profiling He explains that he was parked in a department-issued SUV, but was wearing plainclothes. That's when two lower-ranking NYPD officers approached him,After they ordered him to get out, one officer did not believe the NYPD identification Zeigler gave him."

http://countercurrentnews.com/2016/01/cop-harasses-off-duty-police-chief-who-he-didnt-recognize

Memphis Police Department Threatens To Demote Black Cops If They Keep Complaining About Racism

The Memphis, Tennessee Police Department is threatening to demote dozens of African American police officers simply because they are standing up to racism in the department.

http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/02/memphis-police-department-threatens-to-demote-black-cops-if-they-keep-complaining-about-racism/

Part One.

Part two.

White Cop Shoots Black Cop Because He "Thought He Was A Criminal"

Officer Omar Edwards, 25, was chasing a suspected car thief and had his gun drawn, on a spring evening in 2009.

With only a second after the command "Police! Stop! Drop it!" Officer Andrew Dunton from the 25th Precinct opened fire on Edwards, killing him instantly.

Police used the tried and true story that "he turned with the gun towards us" – just as they would say in the case of John Crawford in 2014, even after video evidence proved that never happened.

http://countercurrentnews.com/2016/07/white-cop-black-cop-thought-criminal/

In fact If I not mistake the police Captain Patricia Helliger in the picture has a lawsuit in on the department base on race.Which I hope she wins.


Pastor John Lewis, who also is a nonviolence trainer with the center, reminded the recruits that the officers in the video were following orders.

Now if Pastor Lewis wants to teach Nonviolence 101.I hope he will also teach this.

A Brief History of Slavery and the Origins of American Policing

Written by Victor E. Kappeler, Ph.D


The birth and development of the American police can be traced to a multitude of historical, legal and political-economic conditions. The institution of slavery and the control of minorities, however, were two of the more formidable historic features of American society shaping early policing. Slave patrols and Night Watches, which later became modern police departments, were both designed to control the behaviors of minorities.

http://plsonline.eku.edu/insidelook/brief-history-slavery-and-origins-american-policing

What a shame...I feel terrible for this young recruits. The leadership of the NHPD is completely incompetent. The only saving grace to this training is hearing from John Lewis. Lewis is just a plain old "good guy" who is objective enough to have an honest conversation that covers the subjects that nobody wants to speak about (and they still aren't). Showing these kids videos from sixty years ago is incredibly ridiculous and reflects the disconnect between the administration and the rank and file officers. I find it difficult to believe that these executive officers can explain the tenets of community policing to these new recruits. My goodness, some of these kids PARENTS weren't even alive back when these videos were current. It's the same old, same old from Esserman and his staff because they ALL lack the knowledge of what the front line officer faces on a daily basis. They can see those videos in the history channel, give them something that makes sense. Unreal.....

@brian banks

I totally agree with you. To actually show these videos shows are complete disconnect with what is happening in modern policing, however I'm glad to see that they are attempting to do something.

I also feel terrible that individuals like 3/5's never seems to have anything good to say about the police. You ask how can you teach about nonviolence, well by simply doing it. At least they are having some sort of open dialogue about the issue and while, as you say, the origins of policing stem from the times of slavery it's really no different than showing videos from the 60's, your out of touch a bit.

In my opinion it seems that you totally hate the concept of policing, especially white officers. If you feel so strongly about how bad police officers are and seem to have a wealth of knowledge, instead of punching keys on a computer or phone be a part of the solution, if not your a part of the problem and have no use.

posted by: T-ski1417 on July 14, 2016 5:45pm

I also feel terrible that individuals like 3/5's never seems to have anything good to say about the police. You ask how can you teach about nonviolence, well by simply doing it. At least they are having some sort of open dialogue about the issue and while, as you say, the origins of policing stem from the times of slavery it's really no different than showing videos from the 60's, your out of touch a bit.

You question is based on an unwarranted generalization.But you made my point when you said policing stem from the times of slavery it's really no different than showing videos from the 60's, your out of touch a bit. the videos of today are the same. Nothing has change.Also I have family who are in Law enforcement.My comments are based on observations and experiences.The crux of the matter is, white people are,essentially, the beneficiaries of institutionalized racism. Statistically ,you're more likely to be stopped and searched by the police if you're black, or convicted and go to jail for a similar crime a white person will commit, let alone go to jail.That's why black people are over- represented in jails or die at the hands of the police than whites. As a beneficiary of those privileges afforded y a white person ,one would be hard-pushed to find the few white people who are willing to speak out against the unfairness of the system or repudiate those privileges they collectively enjoy.


instead of punching keys on a computer or phone be a part of the solution, if not your a part of the problem and have no use.

I follow in the foot steps of the great Playthell Benjamin who says Praising Saints, Celebrating Heroes, Unmasking Charlatans, Defending the Defenseless and Chastising Scoundrels.

The Police Were Created to Control Working Class and Poor People, Not 'Serve and Protect'

http://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/17505/police_and_poor_people

@ T-ski1417

You said it's really no different than showing videos from the 60's, your out of touch a bit.

Check this out.

European Woman Yells RAPE, RAPE, RAPE When Asked A Question By A So Called African American Man.

https://youtu.be/nFXhRcDGKkU

@3/5

And statistically a black male is more likely to be killed at the hands of another black male than a white police officer, and I disagree when you say nothing has changed in policing because it has over the past 50 years.

As far as institutionalized racism yes I agree that some whites have benefited from it, at least those who choose to succumb to racism, but that argument can be made on both sides as I have seen first hand the same racism by African Americans towards whites but I wont paint a broad stroke as all are not the same, on both sides of the house.

I glad to hear you have family in LE, just seems that I have never seen you post anything in a positive light about LE, even as they try to address a problem that most of then inherited not chose.

posted by: T-ski1417 on July 15, 2016 4:13am

@3/5

And statistically a black male is more likely to be killed at the hands of another black male than a white police officer, and I disagree when you say nothing has changed in policing because it has over the past 50 years.

What does a black male is more likely to be killed at the hands of another black male have to do with the killing of people of color by the Poilce. Second you said I disagree when you say nothing has changed in policing because it has over the past 50 years. Not true it has not stop. Show me. Read 100 YEARS OF LYNCHING By RALPH GINZBURG.

http://www.blackclassicbooks.com/100-years-of-lynching-ralph-ginzburg/


Read the FBI report.Remarkably, one of the most compelling but unexplored explanations may rest with a FBI warning of October 2006, which reported that "White supremacist infiltration of law enforcement" represented a significant national threat.

http://thegrio.com/2015/05/12/fbi-white-supremacists-law-enforcement/


As far as institutionalized racism yes I agree that some whites have benefited from it, at least those who choose to succumb to racism, but that argument can be made on both sides as I have seen first hand the same racism by African Americans towards whites but I wont paint a broad stroke as all are not the same, on both sides of the house.

You Need to read some Neely Fuller .As he said Although most people define racism as hatred for people of a different race, a more functional definition would be having the power to enforce that hatred socially, politically, and economically. And last time I checked, Black people did not posses that kind of juice.In his work, "The United Independent Compensatory Code," Neely Fuller argued that "the only form of functional racism that exists among the people of the known universe is white supremacy." But that minor detail has not stopped folks from engaging in the never ending hunt for the nonexistent Black supremacist.

Part one.

Part two.

Did you know that Connecticut had Sundown Towns. Do you know what Sundown Towns are? I will show you.

From Maine to California, thousands of communities kept out African Americans (or sometimes Chinese Americans, Jewish Americans, etc.) by force, law, or custom. These communities are sometimes called "sundown towns" because some of them posted signs at their city limits reading, typically, N, Don't Let The Sun Go Down On You In ___." Some towns are still all white on purpose.

Notice who enforce the law. The police.

Take a look at Connecticut Sun down Towns. notice East Haven on the list. Remeber not 50 years ago, But in this day and time how the police of East Haven was running latinos out of there town. Also notice most of those sun down towns are where whites live.

http://sundown.afro.illinois.edu/sundowntownsshow.php?state=CT



http://sundown.afro.illinois.edu/content.php?file=sundowntowns-whitemap.html


I glad to hear you have family in LE, just seems that I have never seen you post anything in a positive light about LE, even as they try to address a problem that most of then inherited not chose

When I find something I will.

??? "The NHPD is completely incompetent and the only saving grace is hearing from Pastor John Lewis??? Well who is providing the training that brought Pastor Lewis to the recruits? And Officers Brown, Helliger and Hoyt who were present at the recruits training took the same training as Pastor Lewis. What is the difference ... just because they're police? And to ask 'how can you teach non-violence when officers across the country face violence from the white officers they work with?" If Officers Brown, Helliger and Hoyt were trained in non-violence, and are trained to 'train in non-violence' , I would say ...THAT'S HOW!!! New Haven is NOT New York, or Memphis, or Tennessee, or Dallas, or Ferguson, or Chicago, or Baton Rouge. Can what happen there happen here, absolutely, but it hasn't. So what are WE doing that has thus far kept those police situations from happening here? What makes New Haven citizens and its Police Department different? Why not do some research on that instead of digging up everything that has gone wrong, and doesn't work. We have enough 'history' ... why not now focus on solutions. Make an assignment change from being the reminder of all things negative, to the promoter of all things possible. We know the 'world is coming to an end' ... the question is how are you gonna live it until that happens! A wise man said "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." And even wiser one said "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not." Thanks NHPD for doing something to make things better.

3/5's … I did a little research myself about your references and found …

Ralph Ginzburg (a white man) edited '100 years of lynching', which contained no narrative, but skillfully selected articles from a wide range of papers that presents newspaper accounts of racial atrocities". Pulling together articles and putting them into a book, doesn't make one an expert of anything. Side note: Ginzburg was best known for publishing books and magazines on erotica and art and for his conviction in 1963 for violating federal obscenity laws. Other books he wrote: "The Housewife's Handbook on Selective Promiscuity", "An Unhurried View of Erotica" and "Eros on Trial: "A Portfolio of The Most Beautiful Art From Eros". Seems like his expertise was elsewhere.

James Loewen, a white man who has taught race relations, has been called as an 'expert witness' in civil rights cases. One of his critics states that 'Much of his writings in his books was based on other writings and studies that may come from equally slanted sources'. So if you question how can the police train in non-violence, then wouldn't you question how a white man who belongs to a race who violates civil rights be an expert on civil rights; or how can one who belongs to a race who historically has opposed race relations teach about race relations?

You said 'Read the FBI report' yet the link you provide is NOT to the FBI report, but an article by Samuel Jones (black man) about the FBI warning. Jones who was concerned about the spate of police killings of unarmed minorities and the source of growing discord between law enforcement and minority communities did write a book entitled "FBI Warning of White Supremacists Infiltration of Law Enforcement Nearly Forgotten". After exposing the threat posed to law enforcement and minorities alike, Jones concluded that "the white supremacist threat should inform all Americans that today's civil discord is not borne out of a robust animosity towards law enforcement'.

My research!

posted by: Hill Resident on July 15, 2016 9:55am

I would say ...THAT'S HOW!!! New Haven is NOT New York, or Memphis, or Tennessee, or Dallas, or Ferguson, or Chicago, or Baton Rouge. Can what happen there happen here, absolutely, but it hasn't. So what are WE doing that has thus far kept those police situations from happening here? What makes New Haven citizens and its Police Department different?

But when it comes to Police Brutality and the Murder of people of color by the police it is a problem Nation wide.You said Can what happen there happen here, absolutely, but it hasn't. Ask the people about Billy White and his beat down boys.Ask John Lugo what happen to him whe he held a legal protestingHow about this.Chief Dean Esserman verbally harassed an usher working at the Yale-Army football game in September, claimed a letter to the Board of Alders from an assistant Yale professor. Just because you may not see it or hear about Police Brutality in New Haven does not mean it is not happing. How about the racial disparities of people of color in New Haven when pulled over by the police.Wake up.

Ralph Ginzburg (a white man) edited '100 years of lynching', which contained no narrative, but skillfully selected articles from a wide range of papers that presents newspaper accounts of racial atrocities". Pulling together articles and putting them into a book, doesn't make one an expert of anything.

I never said he was a expert. But the Book is telling. In fact Ida B. Wells wrote about the same thing.Maybe I should have used her.

Ida B. Wells, "Lynch Law in America" 1900
OUR country's national crime is lynching. It is not the creature of an hour, the sudden outburst.

http://courses.washington.edu/spcmu/speeches/idabwells.htm

Part one.

@hillresident

Well said.....

Part two.

James Loewen, a white man who has taught race relations, has been called as an 'expert witness' in civil rights cases. One of his critics states that 'Much of his writings in his books was based on other writings and studies that may come from equally slanted sources'. So if you question how can the police train in non-violence, then wouldn't you question how a white man who belongs to a race who violates civil rights be an expert on civil rights; or how can one who belongs to a race who historically has opposed race relations teach about race relations?

The can teach if they are Anti-Racist. Have you read the works of the following Anti-Racist.Do you know what a Anti-Racist is .Look up these people.

1.Howard Zinn

2.Tim wise

3.John Brown

4.Eugene V. Debs


Jones concluded that "the white supremacist threat should inform all Americans that today's civil discord is not borne out of a robust animosity towards law enforcement'.

Well these Law school students would disagree.

It's time to admit police have a history of connections with the KKK

Larrissa Moore focused her research on police officers with ties to the KKK and found one of the group's first orders was to infiltrate the police department—"because the laws don't apply to them if they are the law," she said.

"If you think about the history with the police department, they were pretty much set up to continue white supremacy," said Moore, who noted the first black law enforcement officials in Georgia were hired in the mid 1940s.

"We had black officers but they could not arrest white people," said Moore, who said this illustrated that blacks were still inferior in the eyes of the law.

Law enforcement connections with white supremacist groups have continued into present day.

Notice Law enforcement connections with white supremacist groups have continued into present day.

Part Three.

Part Three.

A federal judge in 1991 described a clique of deputies at the Lynwood Sheriff's station in Los Angeles as a "neo-Nazi, white supremacist gang." The judge's finding came after more than 70 Lynwood residents filed a lawsuit alleging deputies engaged "in systematic acts of shooting, killing, brutality, terrorism, house-trashing and other acts of lawlessness and wanton abuse of power," especially against Latinos and blacks, the Los Angeles Times reported.

Feel free to enjoy the rest.

http://fusion.net/story/245527/police-history-kkk-connections/

And the FBI did documented acts of infiltration by white supremacist groups into American police departments.

FBI Says Racist Organizations Have Been Infiltrating Police Departments For Years.

The claim comes after what the FBI says has been nearly a decade of federal law enforcement's confirmed and documented acts of infiltration by white supremacist groups into American police departments.

http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/05/fbi-says-groups-have-been-infiltrating-police-departments-for-years/

A wise man said "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." And even wiser one said "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not


And that same man said these things.

We can never be satisfied as long as the Negro is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of police brutality.

A time comes when silence is betrayal.

Martin Luther King, Jr.

Malcolm X said this fifty years ago and it STILL rings true today


https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/videos/1178091962283856/


I follow in the foot steps of the great Playthell Benjamin who says Praising Saints, Celebrating Heroes, Unmasking Charlatans, Defending the Defenseless and Chastising Scoundrels.My research.

Note to 3/5,

Try to be succinct Mr.PartOne-Through-PartTwenty.The NHI has a word limit for a reason.

Since I was able to quickly scan through your blather wihout falling asleep I spotted your frequently citied falsehood about traffic stops. As the report below shows, 13.5% of the traffic stops in the period studied were African Americans; very close to the 10.1% AA population in CT (page 44).

TRAFFIC STOP DATA ANALYSIS
http://tinyurl.com/pev757x

posted by: robn on July 15, 2016 4:57pm

Note to 3/5,

Try to be succinct Mr.PartOne-Through-PartTwenty.The NHI has a word limit for a reason.

Since I was able to quickly scan through your blather wihout falling asleep I spotted your frequently citied falsehood about traffic stops. As the report below shows, 13.5% of the traffic stops in the period studied were African Americans; very close to the 10.1% AA population in CT (page 44).

TRAFFIC STOP DATA ANALYSIS
http://tinyurl.com/pev757x

And I spotted this on you.Care to answer.

posted by: robn on November 16, 2014 3:57pm

3/5,

Young men who ride their bikes high speed on sidewalks and terrorize women with baby carriages? Yes, please be brutal with them.

posted by: robn on November 15, 2014 3:21pm

JATP,

Dehumanization is a hundred teens on bikes riding the full street width including sidewalks, harassing law abiding citizens with racial and sexist epithets and physical altercations like bag grabbing and brush backs. To the NHPD, please do rough them up and lock them up.

http://www.newhavenindependent.org/index.php/archives/entry/the_surge_hits_church_street/

What happen to due process. Your statements sound like the rightwing response to police brutality.

3/5,

It's self explainatory. The no chase policy in NHV is BS and I think police should drop the hammer on gangs that terrorize people. If you're trying to embarrass me with my own words, stop trying because I proudly pick the safety of women and infants over coddling street gangs any day of the week.

posted by: robn on July 16, 2016 10:17am

3/5,

It's self explainatory. The no chase policy in NHV is BS and I think police should drop the hammer on gangs that terrorize people. If you're trying to embarrass me with my own words, stop trying because I proudly pick the safety of women and infants over coddling street gangs any day of the week.

Now you are saying drop the hammer on gangs that terrorize people.Should that same Hammer be used on cops who kill and terrorize people?Last I looked there are courts of law.Stop trying to clean up you statements.Again Your statements sound like the rightwing response to police brutality.

3/5,

I know you think you're clever, but randomly taking my quotes out of context lowers yourself to the same level as the other 99% of the time when you're erroneously using the expression "my bad" and using New York City statistics to explain everything on the planet (I think....although you may have gone interplanetary once or twice.) This comment should meet the NHIs comment policy if your last one did.

posted by: robn on July 16, 2016 9:29pm

3/5,

I know you think you're clever, but randomly taking my quotes out of context lowers yourself to the same level as the other 99% of the time when you're erroneously using the expression "my bad" and using New York City statistics to explain everything on the plane.

Trying to put lipstick on a pig. Trying to clean up your statement.You statement is not a quote.You see a lot of racists see no problem with police profiling, injuring or killing people who don't look like them and they often celebrate it..Stop it..Read your statement.Your statement calls for police brutality.

@robn

I completely agree with you regarding the "dirt bikers" in NH. I live in a section of the city where they, at will, ride recklessly up and down the streets and sidewalks where MY children play. At times they have weaved through children and bystanders using the side walk.

i have also seen them taunt police, because we have a no chase police, essentially tying our officers hands, because it's easy to blame the police if they hurt someone riding away like animals.

Im sure 3/5's will find some article that will blame the police for this type of behavior because in his/her mind the "white" police are the root of all.

3/5,

I'm not sure what you think a quote is, but when you cut and paste something I wrote elsewhere, that's a quote; In this case concerning an article discussing not only vehicular stops, but bicycle gangs. BTW on the subject of your incessant self righteousness, while you and others were crowing about the death of Michael Brown (potential cop killer who tried to seize an officers weapon) I was the first person on this forum pointing the the unjust killing of an actual innocent; Tamir Rice. So save it; skin color doesn't give you moral high ground.

http://www.newhavenindependent.org/index.php/archives/entry/two-hour_march_re-routes_downtown_traffic/

@ robn

Still trying to clean it up. Sound like your sheet is showing. Even if it is a quote.It is a quote that is advocating. the beating up of people by the police.You said I was the first person on this forum pointing the the unjust killing of an actual innocent; Tamir Rice. So save it; skin color doesn't give you moral high ground. You point. Also I never said skin color doesn't give you moral high ground. Again Your statements sound like the rightwing response to police brutality.

posted by: T-ski1417 on July 17, 2016 7:43am

Im sure 3/5's will find some article that will blame the police for this type of behavior because in his/her mind the "white" police are the root of all.

So what would you say about this.

Violent Delaware police officer receives lucrative resignation...
A cop caught kicking a man in the face on camera just got paid $230,000 to resign

https://www.facebook.com/NowThisNews/videos/1004055899684534/


How about this.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10208525009396475&set=a.1449705136363.56580.1645270542&type=3&theater;

3/5,

How about this?

Black Scholar Proves No Biased Police Shootings of Blacks

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upshot/surprising-new-evidence-shows-bias-in-police-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html

Black Cop Tells BLM What It Is

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/07/10/riveting-post-by-black-police-officer-confronts-blm-with-raw-honesty-and-every-american-needs-to-see-it-363067

Four hours on de-escalation? How much on firearms training and use of force? What polices are they being taught about use of force? Is training similar to the Bulletproof Warrior course the cop who shot Castile took? Are they being taught to respect they law, or, above all, to look out for and cover for each other with "no-snitching? Are they being taught all lives matter equally, even black ones, or are they being taught blue lives matter more? Which outlook does use of force, particularly lethal force, training follow?

3/5: Modern policing began with Robert Peel's "bobbies" of the Metropolitan Police in London. It was based on policing by consent, and police are generally armed only with a baton. In the US, police have been increasingly militarized, and are often trained to think of themselves not as protectors, but as warriors. The question is, at war with whom? Too often, the answer is everyone not a cop.

@3/5

I looked at the hyperlink of the sign of what looks like a black police officer shooting a black male, what's your point?????

posted by: robn on July 17, 2016 3:59pm

3/5,

How about this?

Black Scholar Proves No Biased Police Shootings of Blacks

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upshot/surprising-new-evidence-shows-bias-in-police-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html

And as ZoyaBee of Arlington, VA said

However, the conclusions drawn by this New York Times article may be too broad. Keep in mind that Dr. Fryer's work studied only 10 major metropolitan areas. Other work by ProPublica and the Washington Post strongly suggests that nationwide, blacks (especially young black men) are killed by police officers at a much higher rate than other groups. Within this article, Dr. Fryer is quoted as saying that "[his] work is not the definitive analysis of police shootings." He deserves kudos for this careful, thought-provoking research, but the New York Times should be cautious about drawing conclusions unsupported by Fryer's analysis.

How about this report

Here's why I'm skeptical of Roland Fryer's new, much-hyped study on police shootings
Be wary of any study that acts like it's invented the concept of data

In other words, Fryer and company found that there weren't big racial disparities in how often black and white suspects who'd already been stopped by police were killed. But they deliberately avoided the question of whether black citizens are more likely to be stopped to begin with (they are) and whether they're more likely to be stopped without cause (yup).In comparison, the FBI's Uniform Crime Report database includes records from thousands of police departments around the country. The number of shootings in the Fryer data set, spanning 16 years, is about equivalent to what the Uniform Crime Report compiles in two or three.More importantly, the UCR report includes not just major cities but small towns and rural areas; not just diverse cities but less diverse ones

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/11/12149468/racism-police-shootings-data

part one.

Part two.

Black Cop Tells BLM What It Is

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/07/10/riveting-post-by-black-police-officer-confronts-blm-with-raw-honesty-and-every-american-needs-to-see-it-363067

That black cop needs to speak to these officers.


Black Missouri police chief: KKK has influenced law enforcement 'from when it started'

Col. K.L. Williams — the black chief of police in Kinloch, Missouri — told the panel that he had so many guns pointed at his head over the course of his youth that he is frankly amazed to be aliveIf you think that racism and white supremacy is not involved in police departments, you better check yourself. Because the KKK has been involved with law enforcement from when it just about started," he continued.


Black NYPD highway cop claims superiors retaliated against him for blowing whistle on racism

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/black-nypd-claims-superiors-retaliated-exposing-racism-article-1.2694793


Black Parole Officers Sue Police Department After Being Racially Profiled By White Cops


The officers were stopped on April 21 while attempting to carry out an arrest warrant and wearing their badges, bulletproof vests, and a placard on their truck's dashboard.The force claims they received a 911 call about "four big people" with "bulletproof vests on" riding in an unmarked car.In addition to being punched by a lieutenant, Alexandre says he showed his badge but was ignored by the rest of the officers.Penister said that when she attempted to show her New York State ID to a police sergeant, he "became enraged and approached her in a threatening manner with his hand held on the butt of his gun," court documents state.

http://newsone.com/3112998/black-parole-officers-sue-police-department-racially-profiled-by-white-cops/

So Robn how do you explain the above.I can there Black!!!!!!

3/5,

"I can there Black!!!!!!"

???? Signing off dude. Your tin foil hats too tight.

posted by: T-ski1417 on July 17, 2016 5:44pm

@3/5

I looked at the hyperlink of the sign of what looks like a black police officer shooting a black male, what's your point?????

Read what the sign says.Also do you know how come the Police Silhouette that the police train to shoot are the major of times Black?

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=poilce shooting targets are black&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-001

Fury as Miami cops caught using photos of black teens for shooting practice - and police chief DEFENDS the officers

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2912600/Outrage-Miami-cops-use-photos-black-teenagers-shooting-practice-police-chief-DEFENDS-actions.html

@3/5's ... Life's not about quoting other peoples thoughts and words, or referencing articles of other peoples works. It's about have one's own life experience. You said 'talk to the people about Billy White'. I don't need to, I AM one of the people who knows Billy White. I know that over 30 years ago I was selling cocaine and the police kicked in my door in a raid. Not knowing at first it was the police I pulled my .380 and took a stance to protect my life and my son who was in the room. With 6 officers with guns pointing at me in my hallway, it was Billy White who called my name and said put the gun down. That day COULD have been my last day, but because Billy White kept the police from shooting me and kept me from shooting them, I can write today. So I KNOW about what it was like ... I didn't read about it and I'm not quoting someone elses experience or writing. My experience is not everyone elses experience. I KNOW about the beat down posse also, about police who planted evidence, filed false reports and got false witness testimonies. I know my long ago fiance got 35 years for a crime he didn't commit because of police 'set up'. But that was then, this is now. Now I also know Holly Wasilewski, Jason Minardi, Shafiq aAbdussabur, Richard Miller, Jeff Hoffman, Doug Harkins, Sal Delgdo, Rob Strickland, Anthony Campbell, Craig Dixon, Petisha Adger, Thaddeus Reddish, Sam Dixon, Herb Sharpe, David Signor, Julie Johnson, Osvaldo Garcia, Joanne Peterson.. It's not always about Judas Goats, snake oil and gentrification vampires. Sometimes it's about good police work. And the training the recruits are getting is just that ... good police work. Nothing more to say to you. I will leave you to your hyperlinks and references. I will leave you to pontificate about what you read. Meanwhile I (and others) will continue to praise the positive, challenge to wrongs, expose the lies, live the truth and work for change. We will leave you to do ... whatever it is you do.

posted by: Hill Resident on July 18, 2016 8:58am

@3/5's ... Life's not about quoting other peoples thoughts and words, or referencing articles of other peoples works. It's about have one's own life experience

You quote first.Well you need to take back your quotes.

AM one of the people who knows Billy White. I know that over 30 years ago I was selling cocaine and the police kicked in my door in a raid. Not knowing at first it was the police I pulled my .380 and took a stance to protect my life and my son who was in the room. With 6 officers with guns pointing at me in my hallway, it was Billy White who called my name and said put the gun down. That day COULD have been my last day, but because Billy White kept the police from shooting me and kept me from shooting them, I can write today. So I KNOW about what it was like ... I didn't read about it and I'm not quoting someone elses experience or writing.

What makes you think I have not experience street life.Do you know me.So who are you to say what I have and have not experience.I Grow up in Harlem in the life.I can write a book.But we are not talking about who was in the life.We are talking about the police.


But that was then, this is now.

Look at now.Nothing has change.look across this country and you will see the same. .You give a list of good cops.Where was those cops at when the beat down posse was around? You many not see police shootings in new haven yet,Trust me it will happen one day.But there are other forms of police brutality that go on.

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Nothing more to say to you. I will leave you to your hyperlinks and references. I will leave you to pontificate about what you read. Meanwhile I (and others) will continue to praise the positive, challenge to wrongs, expose the lies, live the truth and work for change. We will leave you to do ... whatever it is you do.


I use hyperlinks and references like everyone else does on this site.In fact hyperlinks and references give more credibility.Also it is much easier for the reader to verify your reference material, find related content when you've given them something to click on.I bet you those training officer give those police recruits hyperlinks and references.

I will leave you to pontificate about what you read. Meanwhile I (and others) will continue to praise the positive, challenge to wrongs, expose the lies, live the truth and work for change. We will leave you to do ... whatever it is you do.

.Like I said.I follow in the foot steps of the great Playthell Benjamin who says Praising Saints, Celebrating Heroes, Unmasking Charlatans, Defending the Defenseless and Chastising Scoundrels.And I will keep on doing this.

3/5ths - your references only make it easier to verify reference material IF the references are based on facts ... NOT someone elses opinion. Just because it's printed, or published or repeated does not necessarily make something true. Give some facts, figures and data based on proven truths and maybe folks won't take issue with what you post. Or leave it just as it is ... YOUR opinion, and everyone including you is entitled to one. As far as where those police I referred to were when the beat down posse was in effect? These officers came into the department in the 1990's and later, under Chief Pastore and after (White came on the scene in 1970's). They received their training under a different leadership than Billly White and the posse did. Training which lead them to be different, to be better than their predecessors, many to be appreciated in their communities. And now, many of these same officers are training new recruits in this city as well as others around the country, new recruits who will hopefully be better than their teachers. Times change, people change curriculums change. And you are right, I don't know you, all I know about is your experiences ... which you rarely write about. Your comments are more a bibliography than a biography, but that is your choice.

HILLRESIDENT,

Thank you for sharing that story with us.

3/5ths - your references only make it easier to verify reference material IF the references are based on facts.. NOT someone elses opinion. Just because it's printed, or published or repeated does not necessarily make something true.

My references are based on facts and research. last I looked research and references go hand and hand.


Give some facts, figures and data based on proven truths and maybe folks won't take issue with what you post. Or leave it just as it is ... YOUR opinion, and everyone including you is entitled to one

Read what I wrote and you would see facts, figures and data based on proven truth.


These officers came into the department in the 1990's and later, under Chief Pastore and after (White came on the scene in 1970's). They received their training under a different leadership than Billly White and the posse did. Training which lead them to be different, to be better than their predecessors, many to be appreciated in their communities. And now, many of these same officers are training new recruits in this city as well as others around the country,


Show me where the New Haven police department are training new recruits around the country.Have any facts, figures and data on training new recruits around the country?


Times change, people change curriculums change. And you are right, I don't know you, all I know about is your experiences ... which you rarely write about. Your comments are more a bibliography than a biography, but that is your choice.

Why would I write about my experiences in the NHI.That is not what this forum is for.The forum is about the police.Last I look in the Dictionary A comment means a remark, observation, or criticism.

Last for you and others who take issue with my post.Here is how you deal with this.Simply you do not read my post.or my comments.

@Hill Resident,
You are just the breath of fresh air needed. It makes a difference when folks live in community with a real since of the community. I think you are dead on. I appreciate your comments...All of them. I was raised in the Hill... New Haven is my City.

I know it can be daunting responding to some of the absurd comments of folks who are not from here, but seem to wax poetic about what they think they know based upon other places in the country. You are absolutely right, New Haven has not experienced what is happening in other places. I think our police force works hard at their jobs of serving and protecting. I think the way to deal with this current climate of racism and police brutality is to look back and learn from the past as we move forward. That is what Sankofa means....Lest we forget.

Thank you for bringing intelligence and sincerity to this discussion. I hope you comment more often. I know what you have to say is very welcomed.

Hmmm Good catch Paul....that is a great quote! Hill Res. well said. And thanx for sharing.

"Praise the positive, challenge the wrongs, expose the lies, live the truth and work for change."

@hillresident - well, there's a motto to live by. Well said!

It would be awesome if the New Haven police department strategized to get the officers out of their cars more and onto the streets patrolling and interacting with the community in which they are protecting and serving. The key here is all relational. You don't hurt someone that you form relationships with. I would like to see police officers come to schools and talk to kids (particularly our middle and high school kids) about things. Becoming mentors, stopping into to read to kids. Just like educators go beyond the "job description" to create bonds with kids to engaged and build trust, police officers should do the same. The New Haven police department can take a few notes from Officer Tommy Norman from the North Little Rock Police Department. His example is showing the nation what is possible in EVERY neighborhood between police officers and the communities they are supposed to be active members of. Right now, there is too much of a divide that isn't being restored and can't be restored until RELATIONSHIPS are built and trust is formed! Right now, I don't trust many police officers and I do fear that a routine interaction may result in me being harm. As an productive and active african american member of this New Haven community, I shouldn't have to hold on to this fear.

posted by: Kids_First on July 20, 2016 11:58am

Right now, I don't trust many police officers and I do fear that a routine interaction may result in me being harm. As an productive and active african american member of this New Haven community, I shouldn't have to hold on to this fear.


You better hold on to it.


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