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by Thomas MacMillan | Aug 30, 2010 12:38 pm

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Thomas MacMillan Photos The next time Dr. Edison advertises his computer fix-it business or the Upper State Street Association announces its farmers market on a public utility pole, one lawmaker wants them to pony up some money before loading their staple guns.

A proposed ordinance amendment would require people to pay a fee before posting signs on public property, like telephone poles or traffic signal posts. It’s the latest development in one alderman’s quest to deal with signs posted illegally around town.

That quest began in July when West Rock Alderman Darnell Goldson submitted an order calling on the city to enforce Section 18-25 of the New Haven Code of General Ordinances, a law which prohibits posting anything on public or private property without the consent of the owner, be it the city or a private citizen. Violators face a fine of $100.

Thomas MacMillan File Photo Goldson said his submission was inspired by the proliferation of Ned Lamont campaign signs illegally posted around town on “No Parking” signs and trees and traffic lights. Goldson happened to work for the campaign of Lamont’s opponent for the Democratic gubernatorial nomination, Dan Malloy, who won the primary this month.

When Goldson’s order landed in front of the Board of Alderman’s City Services and Environmental Policy Committee last Thursday, he announced a change. In addition to the enforcement order, Goldson said he would like to add wording to Section 18-25 that would require people whom the city allows to post signs to pay for a permit and to be responsible for removing the signs two weeks after the initial posting.

At Goldson’s request, the committee passed over his proposal to allow him time to finalize his addition and submit it for the committee’s next meeting.

Goldson later said the new ordinance amendment could serve as a revenue generator. “Let’s make it legal. Let’s make money off of it,” he said.

His addition would “put more teeth” into the ordinance, he said. Since people are already posting illegally, the city would have more opportunity to deter the posting or to take in revenue.

Asked about the freedom of speech ramifications of the proposal, including the fact that wealthy candidates in an election season might be able to afford a poster permit while less wealthy candidates cannot, Goldson said he hadn’t considered that.

He suggested that political campaigns and non-profit organizations could submit a bond instead of paying a fee. If they clean their signs up after an agreed-upon period, they would get their bond back.

Goldson said such details of the proposal still need to be worked out.

Chief Administrative Officer Rob Smuts said posters shouldn’t go up on city property. “Utility poles are really an awful place for putting really anything.”

Ben Berkowitz, who heads the Upper State Street Association, said the new legislation isn’t needed in his neighborhood—a system is already in place. He said the association hires a worker to remove all posters that aren’t for non-profits, missing animals, or community events. Advertisements for things like laptop repair are taken down. “They end up being litter and looking hideous,” Berkowitz said.

Berkowitz said he doesn’t support Goldson’s proposal. “I don’t think it’s necessary.”

Comments

posted by: robn on August 30, 2010 1:42pm

How about if we keep the missing kitty posters and we legislate away the real eyesore (billboards). the endless array of billboards along the highway make New Haven appear a lot more trashy than the 8.5x11 flyers stapled to telephone poles.

posted by: Ben Berkowitz on August 30, 2010 2:15pm

I’m slightly misquoted here.
Non-profit signs are taken down as well unless they are for a community event in the area. This includes the advertisements for methadone testing at Yale etc.

posted by: jayj on August 30, 2010 2:39pm

it’s funny, I remember seeing Malloy signs around the city (PS- I am also a Malloy supporter). Is it just me, or is anyone else tired of the items that Goldson brings forward??? I mean, really. And by the way, the UI poles belong to the United Illuminating Company, hence the name. I don’t think the city can make money by allowing people to post on property that doesn’t belong to them.

posted by: Cedarhillresident on August 30, 2010 3:16pm

hmmm I agree and yet I disagree with this….

first if you have the money you can post signs….hmmm that means…at this point in time I can take down the cash for house signs…but if this passes….I will have to look at those things all over my area!! And we have no political signs up in my area at all…except the day before and on election day…this will mean they will be able to but them up for alot longer??! I think this will be legal litter. The community’s will have no say in the signs that are posted up in there area at least now they do.

In my area we take them down. We leave up tag sale ones ect but at some point in time they come down to.

I mean I see where this could be a money maker and I am sure all those cash for houses signs will be up everywhere…weeks from this turning into law…and if we are allowing political to have signs to hmmm and who is going to police all these signs and what would the cost for that be.

not really sure if the pros out weight the cons

posted by: pat on August 30, 2010 3:37pm

The postings should be removed periodically, but considering the disappearance of bulletin boards, now limited to local, family owned businesses, I would not want to see them banned or made so costly no one could afford to post information.

posted by: tommy on August 30, 2010 4:26pm

First make certain that none of these ads that are wailed onto trees and telephone poles are City funded in any way.. Then simply have the UI call the number that is obviously listed on the posted rag, and fine them, make them come and remove it. I bet the childish nonsense stops right there

posted by: davec on August 30, 2010 4:26pm

Be sure to declare the pennies on your eyes.
-The Taxman

posted by: aromatherapy on August 30, 2010 4:27pm

I would be more concerned about those creepy town signs that the town puts up when they do street sweeping. They staple them all over the trees! Take a good look at young saplings or any of the trees in East Rock neighborhood.

They are covered with staples & left over pieces of paper. That’s hideous! It’s down right nasty with no real concern about the health or beauty of our valuable trees.

Where are the bulletin boards? This is a college town & we need bulletin boards. There’s two that are totally filled up and some boards inside some stores.

Why doesn’t the city do something useful for its small business community? Why are tag sale Street Market, Lost Pet signs OK but no other communication signs not?

posted by: Keep it up Darnell on August 30, 2010 5:01pm

@ jayj:

“posted by: jayj on August 3, 2010 11:16am

for once I agree with Goldson - I think that we are rapidly moving into a direction where we are becoming unfriendly to business.

And I don’t have a problem with parades having to pay for services, but I would like to make sure that we are holding ALL parades to the same standards and that’s is not just the organizers of the St. Patrick’s Day parade that end up having to foot the bill and everyone else gets a free ride.”

So, are you only tired of Goldson when he proposes something you don’t like? And, by the way, you did see Malloy signs, but not on public space such as tress, polls, etc. The reason? They only had lawn signs. And if you are so tired of Goldson being proactive, why not vote him out? Oh, I know why, it is probably because you can’t vote in his ward, or New Haven. We here whoo do have a chance to vote for him will do so again overwhelmingly next time around.

posted by: Swatty on August 30, 2010 5:12pm

CAO Smuts,

Do you really think the poles look good with nothing on them - except about 10,000 old staples? Would you advocate we change all the poles now? Maybe we could also have some artists dress them up like our empty store fronts?

It is true that it’s legal to staple to trees! But of all of us, who thinks a poster on a tree is better than a poster on an ugly creosoted pole?

What is truly ugly is how our arbor crews have destroyed the trees with their pathetic trimmings. You want to talk ugly - simply look up on 80% of the streets in New Haven.

Now here is a crime we should be charging for!!! Arbitrary arboreal butchery!

Goldson needs to back off on this one!

posted by: AndersonScooper on August 30, 2010 5:17pm

more KIOSKS please?

The public bulletin boards we have work very well. (like the one next to Toad’s, or the one at Audobon & Whitney, or the one next to Lulu’s, etc).

Why not a few more of them?

Maybe the Town Green could take the lead downtown?

posted by: Bill Saunders on August 30, 2010 6:03pm

Alderman Goldson,

Thank you for promoting more city bureaucracy in these lean economic times. This proposal is not only uneeded, it is difficult to both administer and enforce, though it does get your name in the news yet again.

Ben Berkowitz is on the right track with this one. Out with the posters that are flagrant business promotions and welcome the ones for free independent community events. I also propose no Yale posters anywhere outside of Yale. Put a local flyer up on one of their bulletin boards, and watch how fast it gets yanked.

posted by: Tired of Trash on August 30, 2010 6:33pm

I just wish they would enforce the trash ordinance and have residents and business clean up their properties—- Science Park looks like a dump, Sheldon Terrace has bank owned homes with piles of rubbish blocking the sidewalks. Clean the place up and then worry about the telephone poles. It would lift up the entire city!

posted by: Doreen on August 30, 2010 6:39pm

New Haven needs bulletin boards & Kiosks!!! The flier haters think like they live in a gated community where no fliers are allowed.

This is a College town ~~has anyone noticed?!!!

Everyone puts fliers on poles. From stores, small business, lost pets, tag sales, art events, library events, poetry meetings, Yale announcements, community announcements, Yale studies, baby sitters, dog walkers, yoga studios, Yale symphonies, vacation spots, photography, and many more!

There are many folks that love the fliers. They get info about things going on in their community. People who use fliers to advertise either services or events do so because it’s inexpensive & they don’t have money to spend on getting their message out.

The fliers reach many more people about said events & services. We need more bulletin boards & Kiosks not CENSORSHIP!

I’ve lived in New Haven over 20 years & there has always been fliers. It’s a part of our community. If there are no free ways to send messages to our community ~we will have a very bleak, sad, atmosphere. A cold, barren corporate-run unfriendly town.

Give our community KIOSKS if you want to see no fliers on poles! And not just a couple so every ones flier gets covered up in one day.

posted by: Greg on August 30, 2010 6:46pm

I think that the ordinance is pretty good - I don’t like to have posters or ads up on the poles. My only issue is that the ordinance doesn’t seem to be enforced.

posted by: cedarhillresident on August 30, 2010 7:15pm

I honestly don’t think the poles on orange street that are covered with signs ugly, they are quaint in their own little way. Maybe have designated poles that this can be done on in each community…and 8x14 paper signs or 8x11 the largest…doing penalty fees to people that hang those big plastic signs would be a money maker all by itself. I think with these few rules the poles can be more or less a kiosk. But location designation and signage product would have to be a must.

posted by: Threefifths on August 30, 2010 7:39pm

How about baning robo calls.

posted by: Liz on August 30, 2010 8:39pm

Having flyers on utility poles is a sign of a healthy community. It tells you that activity is happening and that there are enough people walking around to make it worth the flyer-hanger’s while. Let’s not discourage the practice.

That said, anyone who staples something to a tree (because it harms the tree) or a traffic sign (which could block the sign and cause an accident) should be fined.

posted by: Liz on August 30, 2010 8:58pm

Also, how much could you reasonably charge someone to hang up a lost cat sign—a quarter a copy? How much would it cost in city employee time to collect that amount? Hardly seems worth it.

posted by: Jeffery on August 30, 2010 9:00pm

So, the “head” of the Upper State St ASSociation has already “decided” what is free speech and what is not. What is “litter” and what is not.What is “right” and that which is “wrong”.
What a surprise.
I wonder what the final solution might be from Upper State Street.
I shudder to think.

posted by: Bill Saunders on August 31, 2010 3:46am

*** Citizen’s Referendum ***

I hereby propose that each alderman sponsor a community ‘information board’ in a central location in each of their respective wards. Said boards will adhere to the standards developed and enforced by the community in which they are situated.

I further propose the formation of an ad hoc exploratory committee to work with the Office of Cultural Affairs to both secure funding for this project, and to justify the Office’s existence in the future.

posted by: alexey on August 31, 2010 6:27am

It is already illegal…see below:

Do not post signs on utility poles!

Signs that are tacked to utility poles are very dangerous. Many people don’t realize that putting signs on poles endangers lineworkers who have to climb those poles to make repairs. Staples, nails and tacks used to hang signs on the poles—as well as the signs themselves—can cause very serious damage. Lineworkers risk injury to themselves and damage to their equipment and protective clothing. If you’re planning a tag sale or some other activity in your neighborhood, please do not post or hang signs to advertise it on utility poles.

Many people don’t realize that posting signs on utility poles is illegal in Connecticut (Section 23-65a. of the General Statutes) and carries a $50 fine.

This message is sponsored by Connecticut LIght & Power

posted by: Ben Berkowitz on August 31, 2010 7:38am

Any local scupltors builders want to build a kiosk for the corner of Humphrey and State.

You donate the time and Upper State will try to get money for the materials.

Would love to do kiosks under the overpasses and at Humphrey and State.

(Only speaking as one board member of Upper State Street )

posted by: Doreen on August 31, 2010 7:54am

It’s a great start to propose a bulletin board in each ward, but we really need many boards & kiosks to make it accessible to the tons of fliers that get posted daily.

We need them at the gathering places such as the gourmet shops, coffee shops, green etc. Why is it so hard for towns to help their citizens & small businesses?

Why do they make it hard for them instead of easier to do business? They also kill us on utility rates so individuals & small business suffer to stay alive.

There is such a disconnect between who ever runs things & citizens/small business it’s horrifying!!!

In spite of this alderman trying to silence small business & individuals with fines or fishing for money from people who have no money to pay them~they will cause harm to our community by censoring it’s citizens & trying to profit from them.

He’s only looking out for himself politically anyway.

If they did allow permits, the only people who would be able to afford them would be big businesses who could care less about New Haven & the quality of life here.

You would see corporate very ugly signs put up that even I would despise.

Don’t turn our beloved New Haven into a cold evil place, where all that matters is SOME people are making big bucks screwing everyone else!

posted by: aromatherapy on August 31, 2010 7:57am

When is the last time a UI line worker even climbed a telephone pole? 40 years ago????

They use lifts to work on telephone lines!

posted by: Doreen on August 31, 2010 8:56am

Hey Ben,

I proposed the idea of having local artists do unique kiosk sculptures to you when I first met you.

This idea would add VALUE to New Haven~The attraction of interesting pieces of art sculptures or even a famous artist piece for getting visitors to come see & SPEND MONEY in our local businesses while site seeing.

By allowing these creative kiosks on several areas of Orange/State or downtown would be a tourist attraction.

They can also be monitored by volunteers to date each flyer for two weeks then it needs to be taken down & resubmitted for a new date so the fliers stay fresh looking & provide our community & people who offer services, nonprofit events, etc an outlet for free.

If there is enough kiosks ~then people would stop putting fliers up on poles. Since there is no outlet for fliers & many people posting fliers, you get the poles plastered with them.

I know artists who would love to create sculpture kiosks for the city. There is a new Arts space run by Margie Bodell in 9th square.

She works with artists helping them promote themselves. She also has a gallery in NYC.
She can help.

There is also the new DADAIST INVASION group that is having it’s 1st annual reunion festival in West Haven. They plan on expanding, having shows each year & becoming international.

I will contact them & see if any artists are interested in doing free sculptures.

Let New Haven thrive & help it’s small businesses, artists & citizens. Stop this stupid war on flier communication in our neighborhoods.

Lets create a better New Haven thru the arts. New Haven is known for it’s thriving arts community. Why not work with it?

posted by: Steve Ross, Human on August 31, 2010 10:41am

Goldson’s proposition is silly (we’re asking for the community to pay to promote itself to itself?). Further, I’d like to see posting on utility poles be made legal and free.

Flyer art more than makes up for the trash, in my estimation.

There. I said it. Flame on.

posted by: Artist Gal on August 31, 2010 11:28am

@Doreen and Ben:

Asking artists to do things for free—sigh. Of course, why not? Add value to our community and we won’t pay for it. Not even the cost of supplies. Because artists are bohemians, they can just eat ramen noodles instead of making a living.

Sheesh. Think about finding some public art funding before you start thinking about asking for things for free from artists. Have a little respect for the love, dedication and work that goes into a sculpture or any piece of art.

posted by: upperstatestreeter on August 31, 2010 11:36am

The real issue is the city doesn’t provide enough services and support to the small businesses along Upper State Street and other small business districts outside of “downtown”...fliers have been an important part of marketing small neighborhood businesses and events to the community. In an attempt to be “flier free”, the Upper State Street Assoc is starting a collective marketing initiative. You can support the efforts of the Upper State Street Assoc and the Upper State businesses, flyer free, by following on facebook.com/upperstatestreet

posted by: doreen on August 31, 2010 12:17pm

You are right Artist Gal, artists should be paid. I am an artist myself ~guess I got carried away…

We can commission artists to create great sculpture kiosks & help out small business, individuals, non`profits etc. There is some funding available through the right resources.

For small businesses who would be interested in joining the Upper State St Ass, you need $400 annually to join I believe. Not in the budget of very tiny businesses.

posted by: upperstatestreeter on August 31, 2010 1:08pm

I’m an artist myself and have a tiny business along State Street and in an effort to be more inclusive of smaller entrepreneurs, the Upper State Street association now has a rate of $100 for self employed, independent contractors and businesses with less than 5 employees…www.upperstatestreet.org

Bulletin boards, kiosks, and public art are all welcome ideas. email us at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) so we can make something happen

BTW, we also take donations of time, energy, talent, and good ideas…free of charge

posted by: Dr. Edison on August 31, 2010 1:36pm

“He said the association hires a worker to remove all posters that aren’t for non-profits, missing animals, or community events.”

Please tell us all that the farmers that sell their goods at the Farmers Market are all “non-profit”. Nonsensical!
Farmers grow fruits and vegetables in order to make money so they can pay their bills, just like any other small business.

posted by: Pam on August 31, 2010 1:42pm

@doreen: The Upper State Street Association has a new dues schedule which we hope will encourage more membership. The $400 fee is the most expensive. Small businesses and self employed individuals and property owners now pay $100 and non-property owners/ tenants pay $25. Visit our new website: http://www.upperstatestreet.org.

posted by: Alphonse Credenza on August 31, 2010 2:19pm

More revenue-focused regulation. Taxing and regulating the minutiae of daily life. Leave us alone!

posted by: ROBN on August 31, 2010 3:47pm

If the city puts a surcharge on every eyesore, we should probably make millions off of the new downtown tower .

posted by: nfjanette on August 31, 2010 4:35pm

Well, the artists and anarchists are having a field day protesting about their “rights” to illegally post signs on utility poles. No such right exists. Further, how many of such supporters volunteer to clean the litter in the city, including that caused by those volumes of paper? I support the idea of more display boards, but I’d be fine with enforcement of fines against the businesses and political organizations that fragrantly violate the rules on this issue.

posted by: cedarhillresident on August 31, 2010 5:05pm

Jumping up and down and cheering for ROBN’s last post!

posted by: JFA on August 31, 2010 5:28pm

“...to illegally post signs on utility poles.” Spoken like a dedicated statist, NFJanette. If government could only extend regulations to even more obscure areas like, say, sidewalks and hopscotch chalk.

Even though laws evidently apply, utility poles have served as a pleasantly unregulated sort of platform for neighborhoods to get the word out about such innocuous things as tag sales, shows at local venues, and, as mentioned above, lost pets. Leave them (and us) alone.

posted by: Mwestville on August 31, 2010 7:09pm

Thank you for this! It’s about time. The worse are the large wooden signs posted high. Tipping point theory… just starts to trash out a neighborhood. THANK YOU. Let’s get rid of these signs and prevent them from being reposted.

posted by: Dr. Edison on August 31, 2010 7:35pm

@nfjanette

When I post fliers I always remove the old & torn fliers from the poles and also pick up the fliers the people remove from the poles and throw on the ground. That’s right, the people that take the fliers off the poles throw them on the ground-I have seen them do it!

I am neither an artist or and anarchist so please stop making assumptions you can’t prove-...

posted by: Bill Saunders on August 31, 2010 8:13pm

Nfjanette,

If no such right exists, then Goldson’s proposal is even more preposterous in essence legislating the use of a resource the City does not even own

Since when does local ordinance override state statute?
Leave the no brainers for the ones with no brains…..

Who will be the next to run for public office—the Scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz?????

posted by: nfjanette on August 31, 2010 10:58pm

Chalk? What a fascinating position from which could one claim that a supporter of law and order is a “statist”, as if that was derogatory. I didn’t call for capital punishment for littering poles with signs; I suggested chasing after flagrant, mass violations by businesses. Fines would be incentive enough to advertise legally.

posted by: aromatherapy on September 1, 2010 10:01am

Why don’t we fine alderman Goldson for wasting tax paxer money only interested in money for political gain? He only wants this so his opponents can’t put up their signs on poles to get more exposure for themselves. He’s jealous!!!!

Then vote him out! Why is he interfering & sticking his nose in East Rock neighborhood? Tell him to get OUT!!!! What a Trouble Maker!!!

If you ask a lot of small businesses & people who either live in East Rock or come here to go to Yale if they mind the fliers ~most either like the fliers or really don’t mind if they are up. I know this because I ask them frequently. They appreciate the opportunity of having services or events presented easily to them. I know this also because I ask them.

SOME neighborhood folks don’t like the fliers & take them down. If they don’t like a college town community spirit that always has many events going on & is vibrant & alive ~why don’t they move to Fairfield county where they might have that exclusive neighborhood appeal they desire so much with all those heavy uppity restrictions?

posted by: Cedarhillresident on September 1, 2010 10:40am

aromatherapy

I don’t think it was the east rock community Goldson was targeting or do I think it was about his political run. There was an issue with some primary signs in the city. And even some shady buissness posting there signs around the city. I think that was more what his intent was. East rock differ’s than a good part of the city with there fliers…most do take them down, most are community oriented, most post them in unspoken designated areas. Not all community’s have that. This is just a discussion about pro’s and con’s. Alot of areas that are not “collage”...opps I mean college :) town areas and are littered with not the cute little fliers that are in the “East Rock” area. It is not always just about East Rock or the Yale. (I live in a section of East Rock)

this is like a place to see the thoughts of the community to see what everyone thinks. Not to attack the man that suggested it

breath

posted by: Cedarhillresident on September 1, 2010 11:01am

but back to the possibility of community notice boards…my community would love one at the playground. We have been tossing it around for the past year. How costly can they be? Plywood two by fours and some plexy glass…paint or as suggested do them in some artistic way as a draw it visitors. I kind of like that. If all communitys that want them get together there can be some cost savings worth tossing around in the alder chambers as a city wide project (of course there would have to be fund raisers done for the cash) :)

posted by: Doreen on September 1, 2010 11:58am

Cedarhillresident

I want to join the Upper State St Ass. as a contributing member~meaning I will donate my time & services for a free membership. My project(If this works out well!) will be placing many new Kiosks in East Rock, Downtown, Wooster St area, in parks, or several other places that need or want them.

Of course if anyone wants to build a sturdy, artistic board, lets get together on this & submit to our alderman & the city for permission.

I also have an idea for the ugly empty poles that are loaded down w/zillions of old staples & small pieces of paper which aren’t being addressed by the flier rippers. This I find extremely disturbing that they aren’t cleaning the poles completely & they look bad with that debris on them.

The fliers at least cover the old nasty shreds of paper & decades of staples. I often wonder when I see that left on the poles if they notice how gross they now look after they have denuded them! Wonder where people’s heads are at?

I’m not sure if this is allowed but, the empty poles can have a large flower holders on them to cover the gross left over staples & further beautify the streets. Someone would need to maintain them. Wallingford has these on their streets & they look great!!

If this is allowed it would please all I think? Feedback please???

I will contact artists & work w/State St Ass & town to see if we can get funding or start a East Rock Kiosk Campaign to get money also from residents to get this going.

I envision beautification & artistic interest that lets people flier for free in many designated areas. It has to be MANY designated areas or you will still see fliers on poles.

I also would not enforce the flier fee enforcement law which I think is harmful & not necessary.

If there are any residents that are interested in this lets contact each other & get this started.

Let me know. I know there is an East Rock Committee ~Friends of East Rock or something like that. Lets offer support to our community & make it better for all.

posted by: Dr. Edison on September 1, 2010 1:42pm

I think you are correct, Cedar Hill Resident; the whole issue appears to be a political issue between that alderman and the Lamont people. The alderman’s candidate lost and now he’s using his position to get his petty revenge. Nothing new here folks, time to move along…

I like the idea of erecting kiosks throughout the East Rock area and to other parts of the city as well.

posted by: What!? on September 1, 2010 8:19pm

@ Dr. Edison:

...CedarHill did not say what you attributed to her. In addition, Goldson ran Malloy’s campaign in New Haven, and won. ...

posted by: Cedarhillresident on September 2, 2010 7:32am

Dr. Edison “What?” is right.

posted by: Doreen on September 2, 2010 12:39pm

Have a meeting next week w/President of Upper State St Ass. We will start on planning & design of Art Kiosks/Community Boards campaign if all goes well.

Hopefully the 1st one will go up on corner State/Humphrey. I will design that myself & get a really good carpenter to build it.

Hope this works well!!!

If anyone wants to join in this dialog with ideas or for funding ~post & will get in contact w/you.

posted by: Dr. Edison on September 2, 2010 2:08pm

@CHR & What

Oops!
Perhaps I misread.
Nevermind :-)

posted by: car shipping quote on September 2, 2010 4:05pm

I don’t think this is really necessary either. I also don’t think it would work, they’re already posting illegally why would they stop? And how would the city enforce this? By fining someone after the fact? So doesn’t that mean I could post a flier for a company I didn’t like just to get them a ticket? I think the scope of this is just unrealistic.

posted by: Dr. Edison on September 2, 2010 4:22pm

@car shipping quote

The City would have to create a Flier Task Force with undercover agents sneaking about the City is search of those that post fliers looking for lost cats, tag sales and small businesses.

Since New Haven is a sizable metropolis, the would need at least a dozen officers per shift.

I guess I best quiet down before I give them any ideas…

posted by: aromatherapy on September 2, 2010 10:02pm