Police Thursday afternoon identified a suspect in a double shooting that took place at Toad’s Place—a melee that began with rival neighborhood-based rap groups engaged in an updated version of “the dozens.”
The shootings took place at 10:42 p.m. Wednesday while Toad’s hosted a showcase of local hip-hop groups, an evening that until the end was a peaceful family affair.
Here’s what happened, according to an account pieced together from interviews with an eyewitness present that night (who had performed earlier), the club, as well as police:
Toad’s did not, as is the custom at larger events of this kind, check people for guns when they entered the club. They didn’t use a wand or pat down most of the patrons or performers, because they expected a small crowd. Indeed, only 50-75 people were estimated to be in the club at any one time. Toad’s has some 700 patrons at a major event.
Most of the night was peaceful. Local performers, some getting their first big gig, came with their friends and family. No one caused trouble.
A group called CMS/Main Event took the stage around 10:30 p.m. (The group is composed of two formerly separate acts.) The five-member group came onstage with an entourage of some 10 fans. The sound man working the booth asked the fans to leave the stage. They did. For a while.
The group was performing its last number when a fan—not a member—of a rival group jumped onstage. He grabbed one of the five microphones, the only one that didn’t have a performer using it.
He started insulting the rappers. That happens regularly at hip-hop shows: rival groups or their supporters sling insults at each other in a mock “battle.” Occasionally that can get out of hand—as occurred Wednesday night.
“They go back and forth, like opposing sports times. We’re rivals,” said the eyewitness (a local performer who asked to remain anonymous). When the fans get involved in the taunting, they sometimes “try to prove a point to get down with us, to get our acceptance,” he said.
The rival group and its fans apparently come from New Haven’s Newhallville neighborhood; CMS/Main Street is from the Westville Manor projects.
CMS/Main Event tried to ignore the taunts Wednesday night. It tried to get through the number.
The rival taunter was having none of it. Soon more people climbed on stage. The taunts grew more serious. Young men and women alike started pushing and shoving.
Then Toad’s sound man got back on his mic.
“The dude said, ‘If you’re not up there performing, you don’t have a mic, get off the stage,” the eyewitness said.
This time no one followed the order. It was a melee. A 29-year-old Toad’s barback named Fitzroy Ford (whose job it is to assist the bartender) jumped onstage. He tried to break up the fight.
A man onstage pulled out a .380-caliber handgun and started firing into the crowd. Two of those bullets hit Ford; one passed through his elbow and hit his leg.
Another bullet hit a man a patron named Antonio Streater, who’s 20, in the left arm. He was onstage at the time.
The bullets sent the crowd scrambling for safety. The eyewitness ran downstairs. “People don’t know how to shoot!” he explained.
Streater and Ford went to the hospital for treatment. Their injuries were non-life-threatening.
The police department’s Major Crimes Unit initiated an investigation. By Thursday afternoon, it had a suspect, reported the unit’s chief, Lt. John Velleca. The suspect had not yet been taken into custody.
Light Security, No Wands
Meanwhile, questions were raised about security at the club that night.
Toad’s had a lighter staff on duty than usual. No extra-duty cops. And it didn’t check for weapons they way it might on bigger nights. Toad’s did have four security staffers on duty.
Jim Segaloff, the club’s attorney, said these local showcases usually draw only 50 to 75 people. And they haven’t produced any problems in the past. Lt. Velleca confirmed that.
Joe Ugly, a New Haven underground-hip hop promoter, said clubs encourage the rap groups at these events to bring along entourages.
“This stuff [trouble at events] usually comes from entourages,” not the bands, since the bands are looking to build careers through successful gigs, Ugly said in an interview at the downtown studios of uglyradio.net, the internet station he runs.
“People want to bring supporters. The club wants you to bring people to support you. That’s who they’re going to make money selling drinks to.
“I’m not blaming the club for it. It’s a great business move.”
Segaloff said that given the small crowds, the local hip-hop showcases “aren’t money makers. It’s an opportunity for these young people to show their stuff.”
Toad’s owner Brian Phelps “is not going to say , ‘No more hip-hop,’” because of what happened Wednesday night, Segaloff said. “He did say, ‘Let’s look at this.’” If the club puts on more such shows, it will definitely plan for more security, he said.
Big Night For Moe Dollaz & Reese Nice
For two of the young New Haven MCs showing their stuff earlier in the evening Wednesday, the shootings were a sad ending to an exciting opportunity.
Risa Duff finally got the chance to perform her “cuss-free” rap on one of her hometown’s big nightclub stages—only to see the night end in a hail of bullets and their music get a bad name.
Duff, who’s 18, grew up in New Haven. She graduated from Wilbur Cross last year. The daughter of a schoolteacher, she waited a year to start her studies at UConn so she could volunteer at a New Haven public school, Wexler-Grant.
She’s also an aspiring performer. Under the stage name “Reese Nice,” she writes and performs “appropriate-for-all-ages” numbers. She got her break Thursday night: Toad’s Place put her on the bill for a showcase of regional rap artists.
The word went out over Facebook; some 20 friends showed up. They comprised almost half the crowd around 8:10 p.m. when Duff took the stage to perform songs like “Call Me” and “Party in the Basement.” (Click on the play arrow above to watch the latter number.)
She and her buds stuck around for a few hours to watch other acts. Duff had just left Toad’s by 10:42, when Main Event Squad/CMS was performing. It was a fortunate departure: She left just before the bullets started flying.
The bands on the evening’s bill came from throughout New Haven. The night’s violent end was a particular disappointment to homegrown performers like Duff who says she pursues a clean, safe brand of entertainment that all too often gets tarred by incidents like Thursday night’s.
“I try to keep my music as positive as possible. Rap has a bad name. People think of rap and think of gangsters and people who are constantly cussing and don’t have any common sense. I don’t cuss at all in my raps. I try to keep my raps appropriate for all ages,” Duff said Thursday.
“I felt very disappointed [by the shootings]. It was such a great event. I really enjoyed watching the other rappers as well and how many talented people there are in our town. For somebody to ruin the night like that and give us a bad name” was a disappointment.
Wednesday night was also the first real performance for local MC Moe Dollaz. His mother and a host of family and friends were in the front of the stage at Toad’s Place for his 15-minute set with his brother, known as Rone, and a third artist, Too Vicious. They wrapped up, hung out for a little while, then left just after 10 p.m.
In an interview at his Fair Haven home Thursday, Dollaz (who asked not to have his real name published) was tired after a night without sleep—nervous relatives kept calling to check on him. He said he knew nothing about the shooting until someone at Poor John’s Pub, where he went after Toad’s, pointed to the television; the 11 p.m. news was broadcasting about what happened at the club.
The shooting didn’t dampen Dollaz’s enthusiasm for his musical career.
He said he’d been writing lyrics since he was about 9 years old, but he’s just started recording in a real studio. He’s in the process of registering his own record company, Young Trapperz Entertainment, and is focused on perfecting the business side of musical success as well as the artistic elements.
He said he’s shooting his first video next Friday—at Poor John’s—and is scheduled to do another next month.
Dollaz said he’s driven to make it in the music business the right way.
“My father, he passed away when I was 2, and it really messed me up,” he said. “I want to make him proud.”
Dollaz, who turns 19 April 3, has spent his life in Fair Haven. He went to Fair Haven Middle School and Wilbur Cross High School, where he knew Reese Nice.
For years, Dollaz said, he’d mostly stuck to performing for an audience of school friends, rhyming during lunch or breaks in gym class. He started taking things more seriously almost exactly two years ago, when his godbrother died and the dead man’s father asked him to say a verse at the funeral.
After that, others in the family started encouraging him, eventually prompting him to contact Toad’s.
“My stepfather said to me, ‘How do you think you’re going to get a buzz if you don’t start performing?’” Dollaz said.
An initial email contact led to Dollaz being booked for Wednesday night’s show, one of a series of events that he called “kind of a talent show without a winner.”
Dollaz said Toad’s is really the only place in town to hear good hip-hop, whether it’s from local acts or big-time stars like Lil Wayne. He said he hopes Wednesday’s incident doesn’t prompt the club to stop hosting the local events.
“I have a bad feeling that they’re not going to have any more hip-hop showcases,” he said.
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posted by: Wicked Lester on March 24, 2011 8:22am
Another example of hip-hop providing the soundtrack to violence in New Haven clubs.
posted by: john on March 24, 2011 8:25am
“It really gives an opportunity for locals to do their thing.”
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
posted by: L on March 24, 2011 8:34am
Their song was called: “Pistol Finga Trigga Pull.” Life imitating art.
posted by: anon 2.0 on March 24, 2011 8:42am
the beginning of the end, or maybe the middle
Within feet of this club, is Ashley’s Ice Cream that many families and students visit at all hours in nice weather
Within feet of this club is the law school, the hall of grad studies, the renovated Mory’s etc etc etc.
The club needs to be shut down. Period.
It is no longer the fabled rock and roll club. Alas.
Oh where may yesteryear’s clubs be found?
posted by: citizen on March 24, 2011 9:51am
You took the words right out of my mouth went to Toads for years. And saw the most amazing talent, And my brother worked there for yrs.
posted by: Dan on March 24, 2011 9:59am
I go to toads probably once a month (not for hip-hop shows) and there is never a problem there. heck even when i go to the most hardcore metal shows there i don’t see fights chairs being thrown at people. this is crazy
posted by: barbara on March 24, 2011 10:07am
Really are you shock read the lyrics. This is not music.
posted by: Erin* on March 24, 2011 10:15am
There is crime everywhere. This is a major city with 130,000 people. Things like this are, unfortunately, part of our city. Everyone talks but I don’t see anyone doing anything to help the start of the problem. This is not about Toad’s Place or Crown Street. This is NOT about hip hop or locals. It’s about ignorance and ignorant people using violence to solve problems. Educate the youth, stop the violence.
posted by: Newhallville84 on March 24, 2011 10:24am
While the incident is deplorable I think it is rather unfair of those commenting above to point the finger at the hip hop genre and cite lyrics of these “artists” as being a precursor to such violent acts. Furthermore the fact that Yale UnUniversitynd Ashley’s Ice Cream are next door are not valid points. Crime happens everywhere people! MY ONLY QUESTION IS HOW DID TOAD’S PLACE ALLOW THESE GENTLEMAN TO BRING GUNS INTO THE ESTABLISHMENT? Where was security?
posted by: Whatsername on March 24, 2011 10:27am
I think it’s really unfortunate that this happened. I really hate that all hip-hop is classified into “violent music,” though. While there are hip hop artists that focus on violence to others (including misogyny), there are others that do not.
I have to say, there is some punk music, metal and even country music that can be put in the category of “violent music.”
I feel that the type of music playing at the time of the shooting is not necessarily to blame. If that were true, then there’d be shootings at EVERY hip hop show. I just think there was an individual who decided to ruin everyone’s good time by resorting to gun violence.
posted by: baw27 on March 24, 2011 10:44am
Please understand no one pointing fingers, but this should give you pause why are we letting our kids/children listen to this garbage. When I was coming up my parents controlled what I could watch and what I could listen to. I believe we need to give our children alternatives to this
posted by: Wicked Lester on March 24, 2011 10:46am
whatsername wrote: “there is some punk music, metal and even country music that can be put in the category of “violent music.”
Please cite where any of these music styles were the soundtrack for New Haven club violence.
posted by: thebpp on March 24, 2011 11:09am
I wonder if all the people who hate hip hop were equally mad at Fox News in the aftermath of the Tuscon Arizona shooting a few weeks ago. Frankly, this anti hip hop thread has a tinge of racism. Music didn’t bring a gun into a club and the musicians didn’t shoot into a crowd. Some dumb shit did and they should be held accountable. That said, toads should have better security.
posted by: john on March 24, 2011 11:13am
Fine. Not all hip hop is violent, etc., etc. But is that comment more or less. Helpful when it comes to pointing the finger, rightly, at the culture who so uncritically consumes it. That analogous charges could hypothetically be leveled against some other group is irrelevant. Let’s call THIS spade the spade that it is. I just wish I didn’t see so much local evidence that it is a very sensible (obligatory, from a self-preservation standpoint) idea to judge a book by its cover.
posted by: john on March 24, 2011 12:06pm
@thebpp : for the record, i was equally mad if not madder with respect to the tuscon shooting and that culture of violence.
gauging these attitudes on a case by case basis, however, is irrelevant. if there *seems* to be a tinge of racism to the comments (where is that, exactly?) then the constellation of events itself suggests it—not the comments themselves. are you merely seeing what you want to see, and therefore guilty of the charge of which you accuse the commenters?
frankly, it would be dishonest and counterproductive NOT to evaluate the particular nexus of *culture* (i.e., local, “urban”) and violence that this story illustrates. the implication in your remark that the commenters were motivated by some kind of racist double standard suggests a lack of self-reflection on your part and an unwillingness to interrogate all aspects of the situation.
we can’t, nor should we, blame “hip hop” for this unfortunate event, but we also can’t give these individuals and their idea(s) of what is appropriate (sanctioned by their community) a pass because it somehow seems wrong to connect the dots. note that i am not speaking of a specifically “racial” community, even if some coincidental overlap *may* exist between race and the local culture. this is essential.
for although it is obvious that hip hop did not CAUSE this shooting, but it is not entirely insignificant that it occurred at this particular event. for, it is only in failing to hold ALL individuals, as well as their culture(s), for their actions and attitudes that we commit a crime of bias against them. until we recognize this as a whole society, we fail to live justly. For although all men are created equal, some, clearly, have chosen a path that disrupts our lives, our liberty, and our pursuit of happiness.
i am happy to point the finger at my own communit(ies) when they do wrong (i live in New Haven, so this too is my community); i feel obliged and justified, therefore, to do so in all cases.
posted by: Not a surprise on March 24, 2011 12:14pm
Hip hop music night resulting in gun violence is not a surprise.
Just listen to the lyrics of most hip hop songs and you’ll see that it glorifies violence, guns, sexism, and crime.
Toads Place should not have any more hip hop nights there.
posted by: Wiggy on March 24, 2011 12:15pm
1. throwing chairs at a hip-hop gathering with a fight breaking out: please, people, just because it’s pointed out on The Boondocks doesn’t mean you have to make it real.
2. Gunshots at a concert… how many of you knew before you read anything else that it would be a rap show?
posted by: JP on March 24, 2011 1:05pm
There may not be a shooting at every hip hop event but every time there’s a shooting it’s at one.
posted by: Whatsername on March 24, 2011 1:09pm
Wicked Lester wrote: “Please cite where any of these music styles were the soundtrack for New Haven club violence.”
Of course I can’t. But I think saying that hip hop is the soundtrack of violence is erroneous. Was hip hop playing at all the clubs on Crown Street when violence ensued? I think pinning it on hip hop removes the blame from the people actually committing the crime.
I’m not exactly sure what your stance is. If you want to be right about hip hop music being in the vicinity of gun violence in New Haven, then okay. But how does that achieve anything? We should ban hip hop in New Haven and then there won’t be anymore gun violence? I’m just not sure, whether you’re right or wrong, how it contributes to finding a solution for this problem. Correct me if I’m wrong.
@baw27: I would absolutely agree with you that there is some music not appropriate for young people. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that certain types of music shouldn’t exist just because they aren’t for children.
I also absolutely agree that parents need to be more vigilant, active and engaged in what media their children consume. When a preschool child tells me they’ve seen Bride of Chucky or a 10 year old tells me they’ve seen Saw—well, I can’t quite stomach that.
But a parent’s lack of involvement in their child’s media consumption is a symptom of a much deeper issue about their parental abilities. And, even worse, are those parents that encourage their children to consume inappropriate material by buying it for them.
posted by: thebpp on March 24, 2011 1:47pm
@John. Pretty much every time someone says/posts something along the lines of how “unsurprising” it is that there would be violence at a hip hop show, there is a whiff of racism. I grew up in an all white area. I know all too well that cranky white people use words like “hip hop” and “rap” as a substitution for “black people” so as not to be overtly racist or say something unseemly. Covert comments like these really don’t fool anyone but gives the person speaking it plausible deniability. There have been numerous hip hop shows at toads place over the years, none of which resulted in any violence; so it is, in fact, surprising that there would be violence at a toads place hip hop show.
This isn’t to say these posters are going to go burn a cross on someone’s lawn but they probably lock their car doors when they see someone with brown skin on the sidewalk. What I find it silly that someone might deny that there might… maybe… could possibly be racism in America.
posted by: robn on March 24, 2011 2:16pm
“I shot a man in Reno/just to watch him die” <a href=“http://forgottenjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/johnny-cash.jpg”>Johnny Cash a>
posted by: robn on March 24, 2011 2:21pm
“Your name is on the bullet, and it’s gettin ready to explode” Donna Summer
posted by: robn on March 24, 2011 2:25pm
“When it came to shootin’ straight and fast he was mighty good.” Gene Pitney
posted by: robn on March 24, 2011 2:30pm
“On the sidewalk one sunday morning lies a body oozin life.”
Whatsername: the Crown St clubs where past violence has taken place feature hip hop and other forms of dance music. I’m not trying to place blame on a form of music, I’m trying to connect the dots of circumstance and environment.
As an aside, the only incident of gun violence in a club in West Haven over the last year occurred at Boku, a club that frequently books hip hop DJs. What is this saying? I read about these incidents and can’t help but connect the elements, as it’s too obvious to ignore.
Years ago, New Haven’s Tune Inn club had a few problems when hardcore punk bands was booked. The club stopped booking those types of bands, and the problems ceased.
I ask you to please not let the actions of musical acts that do nothing but perpetuate the stigma that is already synonymous with the hip hop scene as a whole form your opinion of the CT hip hop scene in general.
There are so many amazingly talented artists in this state who are out there performing day in and day out to unappreciative audiences who are trying to bring the independent CT music scene in general (not just CT hip hop scene) to the forefront of the national consciousness.
It is incidents such as this that make the independent ct hip hop collective shake their heads in disgust and degrades all of the hard work that goes into making the scene flourish. Those involved should be ashamed of themselves. You have set back the CT scene more than you will ever realize in the long run
Thank you for reading this and if you would like to respond, all opinions are welcomed
Of the four singers you cite, only one (Cash)could be considered as one who embraced an “Outlaw” persona.
Now, let us put your posts in context.
The Gene Pitney song was written by those Gangsters Hal David and Burt Bacharach. The line you quoted was not about the hero of the song, but about the thug who terrorized the town, Liberty Valance. The song is about the man who took credit for standing up to, and shooting Liberty Valance, and removing the threat to the town. It was sung in the soundtrack to the movie by the same name (starring Jimmy Stewart) by Frankie Laine. It was also covered by James Taylor, among many.
The Louis Armstrong song was taken from an opera, and was also covered by another notorious thug, Bobby Darin (Sarcasm).
I am not familiar with the Donna Summer song, but she certainly does not have the street cred of a thug.
I have googled “violence at concerts” by Pitney, Armstrong, Bacharach, David, Taylor, and summer and came up empty.
You actually make the point that the other posters have been making, though I don’t think that was your intention. It is not the lyrics and the songs that incite/create the violence. It is the whole package of the those who perform VIOLENT Hip-Hop/Rap music. They crow about how they have done the deeds they sing about, and make no apologies for the songs and the life style. They use the senseless violence to make money and with their music, they encourage it to be embraced and continued.
posted by: robn on March 24, 2011 5:40pm
Good rebuttle but I got a two word re-rebuttle comin back atcha…
posted by: Anderson Scooper on March 24, 2011 6:15pm
It’s not the music per se, but it’s the aggregation of rival groups in a tight venue, with booze and drugs.
Look, you’d never try and bring together rival football teams for a “party”. But that’s basically what these clubs have been doing with rivals and “entourages”. (Only when fights ultimately breakout, it’s not just fists, but often guns.)
My feeling is get these clubs out of downtown New Haven. If the people who want to attend them decide to risk stray bullets, that is their business. But the folks who are living, working, and peaceably having fun in my neighborhood shouldn’t be subjected to the potentially fatal fall-out from club-related violence.
posted by: Ex-NHPD on March 24, 2011 6:40pm
Producer Phil Spector only has one body on his resume—Lana Clarkson.
How many does Suge Knight and his crew have?
posted by: Tracey on March 24, 2011 8:22pm
I think this calls bull…t on the claim that the “East Rock niggaz” is the craziest.
posted by: TOLD THEM on March 24, 2011 8:44pm
I sent an email to toads about a year ago after i was approached by someone that was in the club with a gun! I sent them a email telling them they need to frisk people coming to the showcases and now look what happens!! They should shut that place down!!!
posted by: Mary D on March 24, 2011 9:06pm
There were some really talented performers. I especially enjoyed Reese Nice aka Risa Duff. She had great personality and she lit up the stage. Young people need a venue like Toads where they can share their talents and socialize in a supervised setting. But why didn’t they have metal detectors at a rap show? Why didn’they have bouncers at the stage to keep people from the crowd off the stage? Hind sight is 20/20 but going forward they need to put more security measures in place. I would not go back until I knew they did. They are fortunate no one died. I hope they take it as a warning to beef up security.
posted by: robn on March 25, 2011 7:59am
ummm….Fatty Arbuckle? awwwww that was also only one corpse and he wasn’t even a musician.
@dumpyderby i think you should check your sources before you make a comment simply because they allow me in poor johns because thats like family to me and also my FAMILY did not bring me there my rap group did and they know how old i am so they dont allow to drink i just play pool or watch tv there. And for anyone who has something negative to say about hip-hop in any way i feel you are being rude and ignorant because thats all we have in new haven and if they take that away from us we will have nothing but violence way worse than what happen on wednesday night.- Moe Dollaz
posted by: streever on March 25, 2011 12:55pm
It makes me sick to think that people are willing to end lives over such banal things.
What was the shooter thinking? I don’t like these guys, so they should die?
I’m so glad neither of the victims died. I hope the shooter starts asking himself what the——is wrong with me that I’d take another’s life.
posted by: Walt Bradley on March 25, 2011 3:40pm
Get well Fitz!
posted by: hip hop lover on March 26, 2011 1:31am
the problem here is not the security at toads. The fault is on toads though for booking violent hip-hop acts.
If toads has spent a little more time researching its artist, and musical genres for that matter, they could have caught a red flag on the first listen to CMS/Main Events music and been able to tell it was violent and not what hip-hop music stands for.
Hip-Hop music was started as a posative voice for the community, not a catalyst for violence.
Multiple artists local and around the world still carry on this tradition of promoting positive messages with through there hip hop music.
Shame on Toads for not researching the artists they book and for having no idea what a local Hip-Hop show should sound like.
posted by: to NEWHALLEVILLE 84 on March 26, 2011 1:44pm
I think you are officially no longer a Gentleman when you shoot someone with gun….just food for thought
@tempted FYI i actually obtained my high school diploma in ‘09 at the age of 17 and am in college studying sound engineering and i do perform at poor johns and promote there therefore those are other reasons I am allowed to be there. yet I am not allowed to hang out at the bar area there (because of my age). And why dont you put the effort that your putting into a small situation like this into helping the youth stay out of trouble and stopping the violence. ...
posted by: BXdaBeast on March 27, 2011 5:31pm
Its crazy how its so easy to point the finger at the hip hop community. So be direct with it, say its a black thing then… That’s what most really want to say,Lets not discuss the lack of security huh? This wouldn’t have been an issue if they were on their job period… No disrespect but that’s the facts, don’t blame hip hop and the artist because i have performed over 10 times @ toads and its never been a problem, not too mention other venues
posted by: destination not Toads anymore on March 27, 2011 8:57pm
Toad’s was great in it’s day, but for me those days ended when the Ramones stopped touring…heck, they can’t even get the Reverend Horton Heat to comeback.
posted by: Antonyo Streater on March 27, 2011 10:56pm
For the record please let me clarify alot of things for you people. For starters who ever is telling this eye witness account is giving false statements. No one who was not in the CMS rap group ever was on the microphone except for a local camera man known as EdTv who is not affiliated with either group of individuals. Second I, Antonyo Streater was the person shot twice. Once in the leg and another in the arm, and Ford was hit once. If you wanna write an article make sure you have the proper info before you publish things.
posted by: @ Moe on March 28, 2011 12:10pm
Really? Your lack of grammar, punctuation and sentence structure makes it hard to believe you graduated high school. In case your “musical career” doesn’t take off, it’s always a good idea to have a plan B, to fall back on. This is why speaking and writing the English language can be beneficial. Again, the reasons why you are in a bar don’t matter, you stated you were “hanging” out there that night. Promote with fliers on cars, word of mouth….. NOT defying the law by being in a BAR (especially a problem bar). BTW, don’t suggest I put effort into raising someone else’s child. You have parents who should do that. Another excuse-making person who think that society should be “entertaining” and raising you. Bored? Get a job, take additional courses. Yes, I graduated HS at 17 as well(with great grades, while working full-time my last 6 months of HS) but I didn’t expect anyone to have to provide things for me to do. I PAY for my children to partake in activities outside of school. Are you suggesting I have to PAY for you too? I work a full time job, go to school (for another degree), and take care of MY family. If I had the time that SOME people have, I would make more of a difference in my community (and yes, I do even squeeze in a little time for civic “duty”). So go to your parents when you believe you are being deprived of something. They will either tell you to work harder, priortize and prioritisehining. You’re a big boy know, handle it. Helping youth stay out of trouble is to be a part of your children’s life, set boundaries and serving as role models.
I DONT SEE WHAT THAT LAST COMMENT HAS TO DO WITH TOPIC AT HAND. YOUR EDUCATION IS MEANINGLESS IN THIS MATTER, SO WHY ARE YOU ATTEMPTING TO BASH MOE? GLAD YOUR DOING SO WELL FOR YOU AND YOUR KIDS, BUT IM SURE THIS TOPIC HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR PARENTAL SKILLS AND FINICIAL STABILITY. LIKE MY BOY TONE SAID GET THIS STORY ACCURATE BEFORE POINTING FINGERS. OF COURSE DUE TO THE LOCATION OF TOADS PLACE AND ITS HISTORY WE KNOW EXACTLY WHO IS GOING TO BE AT FAULT,REGUARDLESS ..I DONT THINK THIS WAS MORE EFFECTIVE IN OUR COMMMUNITY THEN THE YALE MURDER, BUT LETS FOCUS ON THIS CAUSE ITS DEALING WITH HIP HOP ARTIST AND FANS…SMH ... LEARN HIP HOP BEFORE YOU CRITICIZE WHAT YOU DONT UNDERSTAND..
@dumpyderby… I actually do have grammar and punctuation skills, I just wasn’t attempting to use them while typing on a computer. And I do promote with flyers and things like that; I just choose to do so in a bar. I did not ask you to do anything for me, I have mother that raises me right and provides me with everything I want and need. ...
posted by: nutmeg on March 29, 2011 7:51pm
change “Newhallville” and “Westville Manor” to “Avon” and “Glastonbury” and “CMS/Main Events” to “Dave Matthews Band” and who takes the blame? it’s idiots and not the music. weird.