Fired Cop Arrested For Assault

If he is found guilty, his victim will have no trouble collecting in a civil suit.

This type of Sh!t never stops.Look at what the police just did to some Young Black Girls.

Colorado police apologize over viral video of officers handcuffing Black girls in a mistaken stop

Sunday morning was meant to be a girls outing for the Gilliams, as cousins, sisters, aunts and nieces piled into an SUV to go get their nails done together in suburban Denver.But before they could even find an open salon, the family's four children were ordered at gunpoint to lie facedown on the parking lot, and two were handcuffed. The Black girls, who range from 6 to 17 years old, broke down into tears and screams as a group of White police officers hovered over them."I want my mother," one of them can be heard wailing on a video of the incident, gasping for air between sobs. "Can't I have my sister next to me?"Aurora's police chief apologized on Monday night and launched an internal investigation after video of the incident quickly went viral. Police blamed a misunderstanding: The license plate number on a stolen motorcycle matched the family's blue SUV, and that car had been reported missing earlier this year, too.But Brittney Gilliam, who had been driving her relatives to the salon, said the mix-up did not justify forcing her young relatives onto the pavement or putting two of them, ages 12 and 17, in handcuffs. She has since filed a complaint."That's police brutality," she told KUSA. "There's no excuse why you didn't handle it a different type of way. … You could have even told them, 'Step off to the side let me ask your mom or your auntie a few questions so we can get this cleared up.' "

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/04/aurora-pd-handcuffs-family-gunpoint/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-low_mm-colo-12pm:homepage/story-ans&itid=hp_hp-top-table-low_mm-colo-12pm:homepage/story-ans

I will wait for all the pro police people to give me a answer.And do not answer with wack vidoes

What I saw looked acceptable after the suspect spit in the face of an officer. The dude was wasted and belligerent, Xmas or not. I will say its hard to believe an officer was fired though.

Here's a bunch of articles about unrelated incidents (these recent and local). I will wait for all the anti police people to give me an answer. And do not answer with whack videos

https://www.wfsb.com/news/watch-west-haven-police-officers-rescue-swimmer-in-distress/article_b9db7ada-b410-11ea-9208-e3955fe97b24.html

https://www.newhavenindependent.org/index.php/archives/entry/tourniquet_cops_saves_a_life/

http://connecticut.news12.com/story/42285329/shelton-police-rescue-person-from-burning-home

https://patch.com/connecticut/milford/3-milford-police-officers-help-save-3-lives

Three Fifths-I saw the video of the mom and her kids and nieces and it broke my heart. The actions of officers of the law who treat people like they don't matter, like they're not human, when their policies and procedures treat people and especially children as less than human simply because of the color of their skin. When we allow children to be separated from their parents and locked up in cages simply because they crossed a border in search of freedom from fear, poverty and potential death, and the color of their skin and the language they speak, we have to ask ourselves, what we as a nation are doing? It is time for all of us to stand up and speak out and say no more! We can't trust the police because they keep on making "mistakes" and treating people inhumanely and acting like thugs and killing innocent and mentally ill and addicted people and yet they somehow expect us to respect them. As long as they continue to harass, mistreat and make poor judgements, we will continue to mistrust, fear and challenge them with fighting to change the laws that give them the power that they are continuously misusing.

Here it goes 3/5

The officer was wrong for smacking the drunken creep that spit on him. I wonder if you would be forgiving. How about you Patricia Kane?

That situation called for internal discipline, a suspension and desk duty. Not an arrest in which the victim can't articulate himself in complete sentences without using any word beginning with F.

Maybe you characters enjoying the continued problems of Former Officer Santiago would reach out to the aggrieved spitter to see how he's doing, if he isn't in jail.

Cops in NHPD should answer calls received for service only.

He didn't deserve to be fired which is why I offered up a suspension, politics, this good officer was a scape goat, I wish you well Officer Santiago.

This sets the tone now. Doctors, Lawyers, Clergy, ANYONE in a position of public trust should be fired, charged and put all over the news, newspapers and social media.
In addition ALL OFFICERS assaulted in any way should sue any citizen who does such thing.
Santiago and all Officers involved in this incident should sue this individual for spitting on them.
And now we should see from Government a Citizen Accountability Bill in which repeat felons need to attain a liability insurance for themselves or face jail time.
Like this guy here for example was arrested shortly after for kidnapping. He will continue to wreak havoc on society with zero punishment because the courts are a revolving door and he has zero assets.
So make it where there's an accountability for all. Especially if your a repeat felon like this individual.

I hope Mr. Santiago sues everyone after all this ridiculousness.

What we need now is a Felon Accountability Bill in which repeat felons need liability insurance in order to make victims whole, financially..
Take for example this "victim" of Officer Santiago, a repeat felon who was charged with kidnapping shortly after this incident with Officer Santiago.

In addition, a repeat felon like him, who spits in police officers faces should be sued by these officers and because he doesn't work, has no assets, no savings, nothing, he as well as any repeat felon should have to attain liability insurance, much like police.
And if they don't insure themselves they should face jail time.
We all need to be accountable. But the Dems won't do that because that will factor into the voting process.

posted by: ElmCityLover on August 4, 2020 8:18pm

Here's a bunch of articles about unrelated incidents (these recent and local). I will wait for all the anti police people to give me an answer. And do not answer with whack videos

The answer is they did there jobs they are paid civil servants.But what does this have to do with what this cop did to this man?

posted by: Chris246 on August 4, 2020 9:24pm

Here it goes 3/5

The officer was wrong for smacking the drunken creep that spit on him. I wonder if you would be forgiving. How about you Patricia Kane?

People get drunken every day.Should they be treated Like this?And you just said The officer was wrong for smacking the drunken creep that spit on him.Also why is he a creep?Second Yale has a psych ward.The people I know who work there have told me that patients have spit,kick throw things call them the N word.And they can only use force to subdue the patients as necessary.The same thing I was told at the V A hospital in west haven when it comes to those vets who have Post-traumatic stress disorder.


That situation called for internal discipline, a suspension and desk duty. Not an arrest in which the victim can't articulate himself in complete sentences without using any word beginning with F.

But the state which it can do it's own state investigation into his use of excessive force when making an arrest.and they found this.Or you did not want to read this part.

The DCJ found that Mr. Santiago's actions merit his arrest and prosecution. This officer's actions, once the suspect was in custody, exceeded his authority and were in violation of his training and Connecticut law."

Maybe you characters enjoying the continued problems of Former Officer Santiago would reach out to the aggrieved spitter to see how he's doing, if he isn't in jail.

I will let the great james cagney give you my answer.

Copper!

https://youtu.be/ssdsftKZbcc

I hope he is exonerated and New Haven should be ashamed of themselves for arresting this officer. If someone spit in my face at work, they would be eating asphalt. This guy was scum and deserved to be treated as such! Officer Santiago should have NEVER lost his job and if anyone believes that then let this POS spit in YOUR face and see what YOU would do.

General point: Prosecutors bringing charges that won't hold up against officers undermines faith in the system. When the officers are acquitted the understandable feeling is officers are not being held accountable. However, officers cannot be convicted of crimes they do not meet the elements of simply to make some general point about accountability. If we want a higher standard for police, the legislature needs to codify it.

After review of the leaked body cam footage, I'm afraid the 1st degree charges against Derek Chauvin will not hold up and kick off another round of rioting. While there wasn't much fuss over Santiago locally, I'm sure there will be a reaction when the court overturns his unjust firing.

To all the police apologists defending the indefensible: You have lost the public trust, which is why the law that licenses you to abuse and/ or kill is being changed.

From the original article:
"During a Christmas morning roadside dispute in Fair Haven, Officer Jason Santiago kicked an intoxicated man in the groin as the latter lay handcuffed on the ground.
He then pulled the 35-year-old up by his braids — and punched him in the face with a closed fist, after the man spit in the officer's face."

The man was on the ground in handcuffs--Officer Santiago kicked him and pulled him up by his braids BEFORE the spitting. Seems like unnecessary force to me.

Not to condone spitting but you might argue that Officer Santiago needlessly escalated the situation.

I find it sad that when a common criminals actions cause an okay officer to get arrested. Sure Santiago could have done better with this convict and it deserves to be challenged but to arrest him is wrong. A punch in the mouth sure is a ton better than a shooting or a knee to the throat.

I also try and put myself in both of their shoes. One set of shoes I'm wasted, belligerent and insulting towards everyone. The other set of shoes I'm working a dangerous job on Xmas in a sketchy part of town where a high percentage of people hate and or don't trust me.

I see the problem to be way deeper than a punch to a guys mouth. Justice for the illegal punch is a waste.

3/5ths "what does this have to do with what this cop did to this man?"...

my examples have just about as much to do with Officer Santiago as your example from Colorado.

what is it that you pro poilce people do not understand or do not want to hear.So read it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"The DCJ found that Mr. Santiago's actions merit his arrest and prosecution. This officer's actions, once the suspect was in custody, exceeded his authority and were in violation of his training and Connecticut law."

He was in were in violation of his training and Connecticut law!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any poilce Officer who did what he did would to be in violation.So all of you pro police people.
Cry-in-Your-Beer Country Song

https://youtu.be/BcWJ9_StKqM


posted by: ElmCityLover on August 5, 2020 9:11am

After review of the leaked body cam footage, I'm afraid the 1st degree charges against Derek Chauvin will not hold up and kick off another round of rioting. While there wasn't much fuss over Santiago locally, I'm sure there will be a reaction when the court overturns his unjust firing.

You forgot about this one on your boy.

Derek Chauvin Charged With Multiple Tax-Related Felonies in Minnesota

Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis police officer accused of killing George Floyd, was charged with multiple tax-related felonies, prosecutors announced on Wednesday.Mr. Chauvin and his wife, Kellie Chauvin, failed to file income tax returns and pay Minnesota income taxes, and underreported and underpaid income taxes, according to Washington County prosecutors. The investigation into six years of tax filings, prosecutors said, also showed that the Chauvins did not pay the proper amount of sales tax on a vehicle.The charges against Mr. Chauvin and Ms. Chauvin, who filed for divorce days after Mr. Floyd's death on May 25, come after an investigation by the Minnesota Department of Revenue and the Oakdale Police Department.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/22/us/derek-chauvin-tax-fraud.html

posted by: ElmCityLover on August 5, 2020 11:00am
3/5ths "what does this have to do with what this cop did to this man?"...

You said Here's a bunch of articles about unrelated incidents (these recent and local). I will wait for all the anti police people to give me an answer. And do not answer with whack videos. and I said.The answer is they did there jobs they are paid civil servants.But what does this have to do with what this cop did to this man?So what dose cops doing there job that they are paid to do with have to do with what Officer Santiago did to this man.How many cops you know who would have stop Officer Santiago from doing what he did if there were there at the time?I also notice you said nothing about what those cops did to those young Young Black Girls in Colorado.

@Pat: the Mayor's press release stated he was fired for the punch (which was found to be justified by a certified use of force instructor). That will for sure come up when Mr. Santiago has his day in court.

Its not clear from the article what action led to the arrest, but the State's Attorney better have their case locked up tighter procedurally than the city Attorney did if they want a conviction. The termination hearing was a mess.

If you watch the video it was not the cops escalating the situation. The gentleman in the red is banging on the hood of the van, swatting at the woman and violently posturing within the first 30 seconds. The situation was escalated. The police attempted (and were resisted) to get him under control. If this was happening outside my house on Christmas morning, I would want the police to get him under control ASAP.

In addition to this most recent discovery re Derek Chauvin, the following New York Times article shows that Chauvin's dealing with George Floyd was not out of character for Officer Chauvin. He had a history of tough guy, over the top behavior with the public.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/us/derek-chauvin-george-floyd.html

How the F*** is he my boy? I don't want him getting off but over zealousness is going to lead to an acquittal. He overcharged to make a point, but he isn't going to be able to prove the 1st degree charge. Like all good criminals, in the end it may be tax evasion that gets him put away. Fine with me, he's clearly a piece of shit who should be locked up.

As to Officer Santiago "The press release states that the charges are merely accusations and Santiago is presumed innocent until and unless proven guilty." He is presumed innocent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have no loyalty to the thin blue line/thin blue wall of silence. I'm not a police apologist. I'm not sorry for anything, including extending grace to an officer with a clear track record of being a great officer who had the misfortune of dealing with an asshole on Christmas morning when he was at work instead of home with his family. Him and union offered a great restorative justice punishment proposal. Instead he was railroaded, fired and now arrested to appease a mob. The Chief said it himself during the termination hearing, it wasn't about Santiago, it was about sending a message to the community.

I just hope the next time a car breaks an axle its not on my front yard, bc sure as shit the police aren't going to do a thing about it going forward. And why would they?

posted by: ElmCityLover on August 5, 2020 11:23am

@Pat: the Mayor's press release stated he was fired for the punch (which was found to be justified by a certified use of force instructor). That will for sure come up when Mr. Santiago has his day in court.

What certified use of force instructor found the punch to be justified?As one officer said in the video spiting on a officer is Assault in the Second Degree.Also you left out.Officer Santiago kicking and pulling the suspect after the latter had been handcuffed, and then punching the suspect in the face.

Running into burning buildings is not a police officers job. Swimming out into the sounds is not an officers job. It didn't hurt me to condemn Chauvin. I promise you'll be ok if you acknowledge that there are good officers who go above and beyond to serve their communities.

As to what happened in Colorado. I don't have enough FACTS to comment. And I need in the moment facts. No one can act on what we found out later, just the info they had at that moment. If it comes out that these officers new this family and targeted them, I'll put my hand up and condemn it. If you want me to say it was a bad visual, I'll say it was a bad visual, because it was. However it probably was a bad visual when these 13 year olds were arrested too....

https://www.wfsb.com/news/new-haven-police-arrest-teens-in-carjacking-investigation/article_2da8e12c-ac51-11ea-9c4b-dbef2770eeb0.html

https://www.newhavenindependent.org/index.php/archives/entry/13-year-old_charged_in_holdup/

posted by: ElmCityLover on August 5, 2020 11:49am

As to Officer Santiago "The press release states that the charges are merely accusations and Santiago is presumed innocent until and unless proven guilty." He is presumed innocent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are correct.presumed innocent until proven guilty.In fact never took that from him.But the man you call a asshole that Officer Santiago hit and kick is also presumed innocent until proven guilty Right?

Ofc. D. Acosta stated the punch was reasonable.

Its all in the article.. "after Santiago was spit on by Rivera, "his options to confront Rivera from spitting were limited and therefore Ofc. Santiago's force (the punch to Rivera's face) was reasonable and stopped Rivera from spitting further."

https://www.newhavenindependent.org/index.php/archives/entry/police_commission1/

My point is the man who voted to fire him, Justin Elicker, stated in his press release nothing about hair pulling or kick. He said " Officer Santiago's actions,punching an individual while the individual was in handcuffs, is clearly an action that goes well beyond what is appropriate conduct."

The Mayor admits he was fired for found to be reasonable, that means me, New Haven Taxpayer, is going to owe Santiago a lot of money.

https://www.newhavenct.gov/civicax/filebank/blobdload.aspx?blobid=37266

I've already broken my rule about discussing with people who can't be reasoned with. I'm generally a fan, 3/5, but we're never gonna see eye to eye today. Have a blessed day :)

posted by: ElmCityLover on August 5, 2020 12:30pm

Running into burning buildings is not a police officers job. Swimming out into the sounds is not an officers job. It didn't hurt me to condemn Chauvin. I promise you'll be ok if you acknowledge that there are good officers who go above and beyond to serve their communities.

Here is what I call a good officer.

Let me start with family.One of the officers who is suing in this story is family.

'I Got Tired of Hunting Black and Hispanic People'
Multiple police officers in Brooklyn say they were told by a commander that white and Asian people should be left alone.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/06/nyregion/nyc-police-subway-racial-profiling.html

Can forget My boy. Frank Serpico

The Police Are Still Out of Control
I should know.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/10/the-police-are-still-out-of-control-112160

Police officers like this I back 100%!!!!!!!!

As to what happened in Colorado. I don't have enough FACTS to comment.

The facts are in that video.This happens to Blacks and People of color every day.Look at how The Karens call the police on Black and People of color.You do know who the The Karens are?If not look them up.

My bad. Even Better.There was a movie call Black like me. A based film chronicles of the journey of a white reporter, John Finley Horton who attempts to live as a black man in the American South during the 1950s. After undergoing treatments to darken his skin, Horton ventures from town to town, experiencing hostile racism from whites.

Black Like Me 1964

https://youtu.be/Ww0q4XhxPAA

You get a chance watch it.You may learn something.

For all the white people who are apologists for police misusing power, the bad cops don't just go after black and brown people. My uncle in the 1970's was beaten up by cops. His crime was writing down a cop's badge number who was beating up a friend of his. The cop saw him writing down something and asked what he was writing, when he told the cop he was writing down his badge number and asked his name so he could report him to the police officer's superior for using excessive force, the cop beat him up. Police officers who abuse their power, (which they have only because We The People empower them and pay their salaries,) need to be removed from power. For too long in this country police have made excuses like "he spit on me" when the cop is supposed to be the grown up and stand firm and not be goaded into losing their temper. It's time We The People stand up and say we will no longer accept the misuse of power. We will no longer accept police departments to cover up, and condone such misuse of power. We will no longer allow police union contracts to thwart the removal of bad cops. We will insist that the police live up to the ideals of Protect and Serve and presume everyone is Innocent Until Proven Guilty in a court of law. We want a non-police intervention task force to address substance abuse, mentally ill and homeless individuals. We don't want police addressing behavioral discipline issues of children in schools. We don't want police officers killing people. We don't want officers pointing a gun at someone unless that person is holding a gun. We don't want cops shooting at people to kill. We don't want them to shoot unless it is to disarm a person armed with a gun. We don't want police tasing people unless that person is holding a weapon and refusing to drop it or attacking people. We are asking the police to have self control, to not escalate situations, to be someone ALL the public can trust and depend on regardless of the color of their skin or their income.

@Heather C: your expectations are too reasonable. Expect apologists to tell you why they are unreasonable.

Say it with me: Police are public servants entrusted with powers and privileges beyond those enjoyed by most people, as such they are (or should be held) to a higher standard of conduct. Remember, the thing from the comic book, "With great power comes great responsibility."

I find the word "servant" to be racist and it should be not be used when referring to police officers. It should be changes to public safety personnel, I mean I f everything and law is racist why not that term?

The Mayor signs his public service messages "Always serving you".
"public servant" is an accurate term because it involves service to the public. It doesn't mean you're a butler in a Merchant-Ivory film.

@PK

I'm glad you feel that way, now please check your white privilege at the door.

I could care less what the Mayor says, he's white as well. Servant is a racist term IMO, and it should be removed, just like the rest of the "hate speech" that others don't like.

Public Servant Law and Legal Definition

A public servant is generally a person who is employed by the government, either through appointment or election. Examples include, among others, police officers, paid and volunteer firefighters, health officers, the public works director and designees, city clerk and designees, code enforcement personnel, and other city personnel authorized to enforce city ordinances, statutes, and codes.

The following is one state's definition of a public servant:

Everyone who is a chief executive of, or a statutory officer or employee in, a Department in the Public Service is a public servant. Contractors in a Department who are not employees are not public servants. For the purposes of the Electoral Act, "public servant" is defined more broadly, notably including a person employed in the Education Service as defined in the State Sector Act.

DMH464 doesn't care about the definition of "public servant," and they doesn't find the word "servant" offensive. They think that accusations of racism are ridiculous and that people just make them up out of thin air for the social capital. So they're making a bad-faith attempt at doing the same, not so much for the capital, but to show everyone how silly they think they look.

If Santiago talked that talk to his peers rather than the cops, he might not be alive today. That's the reality of that behavior towards ones peers on the street.