Early-Morning Trash Noise Bill Advances

WHAT?! I mean, I totallly agree with this resolution.

But, WHAT about addressing the noise complaints surrounding Tweed Airport? East Shore residents are ruthlessly mocked for far louder noise pollution from pre-dawn to late night, with emergency flights in the middle of the night as well.

Be fair, Alders! Address the noise pollution in the East Shore. We are New Haven residents too.

At least the trash folks are working. What about the roaring motorcycles and the gunshot-backfiring mufflers? They are a nuisance. Why are you busting balls of working companies???

City Yankee beat me to it!

There are a few grass roots "noise pollution" actions in the works, the most recent of which is a petition that can be found on Nextdoor.

WHY are New Haveners subject to 360 days of fireworks, cars that sound like gunshots, and motorcycles that make the walls shake?

The trash collection folks, landscapers, etc. are out working and it's understandable that sometimes they may start earlier in the morning to make all of their scheduled stops. The other issues are further degradation of the quality of life in this City. The Mayor is ignoring these issues while using COVID as a blanket excuse for inaction on many things. We need more routine police patrols. Period.

@ RHeerema. "...ruthlessly mocked"? "...from predawn to late night"? Perhaps a bit hyperbolic?

Alders - show us in Morris Cove the same respect with regards to complaints about noise from Tweed. The garbage truck comes once a week. Under normal operations, Tweed has multiple flights during day and night hours. Every day. Tweed plans more flights and bigger planes. The intended runway extension is for A 320s. A garbage truck is a purring cat in comparison to that level of noise.

But I guess, Morris Cove or Fair Haven Heights do not deserve the mentioned respect.

On a side note: Who is paying for the GPS trackers? 60 millions are missing in the budget.

This past weekend in Fair Haven Heights, we had to listen loud music being broadcast over the water from Criscoulo park and Long Wharf. All day and night. At least a plane or a garbage truck does not upset your quality of life for the entire weekend. Besides putting up with those jets descending loudly over our heads, we gotta listen to this. Who in their right mind thinks that this is cool.

Kudos to the BOA for tackling the real tough issues plaguing New Haven!! Great work!

@Peter Simon. I agree with you on the boom cars. 100 %. We hear them too.
Instead of giving the noise ordinance teeth with respect to boom car violations the Alders worry about garbage trucks. Could it be that the Alders who are concerned about the garbage trucks have not experienced the disrespect of hours after hours of booming bass about every weekend over the spring/summer/fall?

@ RHeerema "WHAT about addressing the noise complaints surrounding Tweed Airport?" You mean the airport that preceded you by decades, the airport that you knew was nearby but choose anyway to buy the home, the airport that thousands benefit from every year as passengers, flight school students, aircraft mechanics, aircraft ground crews and those pesky medevac flights bringing human organs to save a life.
You have shown such a level of meism, in the past promoting your fairy tale of a water chute at the end of the runway and proceeding to embellish it with totally untrue comments about jet fuel and deice fluid on the runway leading to the imaginary water chute.
Word is the real estate market is hot with some bidding over the asking price, put up a sign and see what happens. You live in the city, don't expect a country setting such as found in Killingworth, Prospect, Haddam, etc. The airport is not going away and I expect some new service in the near future. American Airlines will upgrade its service starting in June with better flight times and going from 5 days a week to 7 days a week. Passenger counts are rising even with the present flight times that offer fewer connecting flights.
I don't see Tweed ever becoming a large operation but it sure can support more than the present service, having 2-4 airlines would eliminate the dependence on Bradley and keep travelers money in the New Haven area, not Windsor Locks or Hartford.
Some of your neighbors feel there is a more serious problem, " roaring motorcycles and the gunshot-backfiring mufflers?, New Haveners subject to 360 days of fireworks, cars that sound like gunshots, and motorcycles that make the walls shake?"
Tweed is not the monster a few try to make it.

@Claudia Bosch, "Tweed has multiple flights during day and night hours. Every day. Tweed plans more flights and bigger planes. The intended runway extension is for A 320s." Tweed has 1 airline flight 5 days a week, the vast majority of flights are private and corporate planes. Right now the American Airlines E175 planes seem to be the right size for the local market and they are quiet and if a larger plane comes into Tweed's future, larger does not always mean louder. Most airliners are stage 4, the quietest in the air today, unlike the 727's and DC-9's that flew into Tweed many years ago, but some think a plane is a plane is a plane.
Some have said the landing approaches have changed resulting in more noise. The runway directions have not changed, runway 2-20 has the same approach paths it has had for decades, but some grasp for straws when their backs are against the wall and then resort to conjuring up fairy tales without any facts to back to substantiate their comments. One poor misguided soul said a few years back that airliners would sink into the ground due to their weight, he must never have seen the thousands of United 737 flights spanning almost 5 years at Tweed. Not one plane was sucked into the ground.
It's time to come to grips with the issue, Tweed is not going away, the SCOTUS has ended the court cases, and airlines are restoring and adding new flights. People want more flights from Tweed, the NHI poll on runway expansion is more than 2 to 1 in favor of upgrading the runway. Learn to live with it or look for a home in a small town, not a city as you have chosen.

WOW WOW and WOW...peoples are seriously complaining that there are people working at 5 am to collect trash recycles etc? Lets see if the worked thru the night instead of the day would be the only option that would even suggest a change in schedule. School buses hit the road at 6 am traffic for work etc hit the road 630 in general so now you want to be stuck behind the garbage trucks..It seems like people aren't going to be anything other than miserable unless they have some to complain about. We listen to bikes, firecrackers, bars closing, concerts that aren't interested in attracting diversity but the common cause of collecting our trash is now a problem?? Public works & private trash haulers I dont have an issue with you.. Alders would you please concentrate on fixing our tore up streets and sidewalks, making our play grounds safe instead of selling them for pennies to developers for pennies on the dollar with tax givebacks so the rest of us can stop being subject to increases, give enough to fund our BOE and police officers. This is just deflection from all the serious devastating crap you should be addressing ...

Tweed has had a noise ordinance for almost 30 years now, one more stringent than the Federal government's, and the current generation of jet aircraft more than meet it.
No, it's not the jet noise that's increased. It's the sensitivity of new home buyers who can't compare contemporary aircraft decibel levels to their predecessors.
Reminds me of the New Canaan residents who wanted the Metro-North trains NOT to sound their horns approaching crossings at grade late at night. After all, "what can go wrong?"
What will be next? Lawn mowers? Crying infants?
Don't laugh. It may happen.

Pretty sad you need GPS in order for Trash truck companies to obey the law. But I am in favor of GPS if that's what it takes. And 5AM is too early. Time should be changed to 7am.

Illegal modified muffler laws also need to be enforced. People have the right to peace and quiet.

I belong to a organization called noisefree.org. . We fight for people's rights to peace and quiet from all noises like airport noise. Leaf blowers, religious noise, illegal modified mufflers and other noises.

Susan Rocha
Http://www.noisefree.org

Really?

A 2 minute disturbance once a week?

How about more regular occurances?
How about straight pipe vehicles that sound like guns?
How about loud exhausts period?
How about loud car stereos?
How about commercial lawn maintenence guys running their equipment all weekend? Or at working peoples dinner time?
How about people who rent 200dB DJ equipment and run it off generators at public parks?
How about illegal motocross bikes on public roads?
Notice the recurring theme of internal combustion being involved.

The trash collectors can't collect trash at 7 am, because it will tie up commuter traffic, school buses, etc. If their routes can't be completed between 5 am and 7 am, then some trash will go uncollected. In downtown businesses it is absolutely necessary to collect the volume of trash created, especially as edible trash attracts rodents and other pests.
If you bought or rent housing downtown, then you have to put up with nightclubs, bars, restaurants with loud music attracting young people to downtown (just wait until the business restrictions completely end and nighttime businesses returns to normal,) and patrons getting loud and rowdy at closing time, also ambulances, fire engines and police sirens, and commercial trash collectors, motorcycles, etc. If you can't handle the noise of a typical downtown then move to a quieter neighborhood.
I'd much rather hear trash collectors at 5 am than gunshot muffler attachments, motorcycles with overly loud mufflers, cars drag racing, and booming base stereos in the back of cars that shake my windows and make my heart and ears hurt!
You don't want to make the trash collectors job too difficult, you might want to remember the trash collector strikes in years past in NYC or Paris or other cities where the trash went uncollected for weeks until agreements were reached.

A meaningful change would be amending the noise ordinance to limit commercial greenskeepers to M-F 9-5 so people have some peace and quiet after work. Does the BOA have balls enough to do something so practical?

Let those contractors do their off hours work in the burbs.

I live Downtown and therefore have had to put up with garbage trucks that violate the ordinance to not come before 5 a.m. for years. I have several points to make:
1) For those saying it's no big deal and don't live downtown if you can't tolerate noise, I lived in second floor above 34th Street in Manhattan my first year of college. I can handle ambient noise of cars or buses driving on Temple Street outside my window. That is different from a garbage truck that comes at 3:30 a.m. and makes noise on Temple Plaza for 15-20 minutes (NOT 2 minutes) while the workers empty dumpsters in the truck. It is reasonable me for me to expect that trash companies will obey the city ordinance and not come before 5 a.m. or will be held accountable if they do.
2) While I wish the ordinance didn't allow trash pickup downtown until 6 a.m. as it does for the rest of New Haven as downtown has more apartment buildings and hotels than it did 10-20 years ago, that is not on the table. What is at issue is enforcing the 5 a.m. ordinance ALREADY on the books.
3) Given how this garbage truck is parked on Temple Plaza while the dumpsters are emptied into it, a later start time wouldn't substantially impede commuter traffic.
4) Just because I care about this issue doesn't mean I don't care about drag racing, dirt bikes on the street, loud motorcycles with modified mufflers, etc.

The state of our Republic--- let the peons vote on nonsensical issues that media convince them is concerning to them. The public NEVER gets a voice in the decisions that the REAL POWERS make. And so; the Republic is destroyed beyond repair.
Congratulations, fellow peons, on your great victory!

@ RHeerema "But, WHAT about addressing the noise complaints surrounding Tweed Airport?" What year did you move near Tweed? Were you aware of the airport that opened in 1931, it's 90th year is coming up. What nerve to move into an area with a long standing public facility and make demands that are in conflict with the airports operations.
Airports make noise, everybody knows that and most of the noise comes from private and charter aircraft, not from airliners.
Your name and few other always come up complaining about the airport, the airport that thousands use yearly and employ many at the airport.
How would you feel if those noisy medevac flights were bringing a transplant organ for for a friend or family member?
Would you complain about moving next to a school and then object to the noise of kids at recess or after school ball games or school buses tying up the roads or parents in the morning and afternoon dropping off and picking up their kids?
What were you thinking when you bought a house next to the airport? All airports are noisy, it's part of their operations and Tweed is a low volume airport. Even if Tweed were to gain more commercial flights, it still would be a low volume airport.
It's time for some to reassess their priorities, Covid ravaging many parts of the world, gun violence in this country out of control, racial hatred on a grand scale, etc and this is the best you can do to address serious Problems?
"Love your neighbor as yourself, consider others superior to you, as far as it depends on you, be peaceable with all, lets your reasonableness be known". All quotes from a very old famous book.