Elicker, Too, Eyes Mayor’s Job

Thomas MacMillan PhotoMake that three people already “seriously” working on possible mayoral campaigns for next fall.

And counting?

The latest entrant is East Rock Alderman Justin Elicker.

Elicker (pictured) has been making the rounds of management teams and conducting one-on-one meetings with people around the city as he explores running for mayor against 10-term incumbent John DeStefano, who has also begun campaigning. Elicker confirmed Monday that he is “serious” about his exploration of a run. He didn’t provide a timetable for making a formal decision.

New Haven state Rep. Gary Holder-Winfield, too, is pounding the pavement as he “seriously” pursues a possible candidacy. He said he plans to form an exploratory committee within a month and make a final decision about a candidacy by the end of January. (Click here to read about that, and his initial campaign themes and DeStefano’s responses.)

And it’s only Nov. 12.

Elicker, Holder-Winfield and DeStefano are all Democrats. As are all elected officials in New Haven (except the Republican registrar of voters, which is a position reserved for Republicans). New Haven last elected a non-Democrat as mayor in 1951. In New Haven the Democratic primary in general unofficially decides who will take office.

Promising To Run “Clean”

Elicker promised to participate in New Haven’s public-financing “clean elections” system (aka “The Democracy Fund”) if he runs for mayor.

That means he’ll limit how much money he raises from individual contributors, and where he raises it from, in return for matching public dollars.

DeStefano, who pushed to create the system, dropped out of it in the 2011 campaign and is not participating in it for this cycle, either. That enabled him to outspend his chief rival 14-1 in 2011.

DeStefano blasted the Democracy Fund’s “conduct” as “baffling,” and consumed with “bureaucratic nonsense” after his appointees on the board fined his campaign for a late filing and debated launching an investigation. (It didn’t.)

At this point, the Democracy Fund has become “neutered” by the U.S. Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision allowing unlimited outside cash to flow into campaigns, DeStefano argued. He noted labor’s heavy spending in aldermanic races in 2011 as a symbol of a new campaign reality.

He said he can see the Democracy Fund still play a constructive role “if you’re a candidate that would have had no money, like [2011 mayoral candidate Jeffrey] Kerekes. This provided you some money to run something.”

Reached Monday, Holder-Winfield said he “honestly” hadn’t considered the question yet. “At the legislature I was a big proponent of it. I have no reason to switch my position,” he said. “Unless the system is completely broken, I don’t know why I wouldn’t” participate.

The Grassroots Argument

Elicker, a 37-year-old environmental consultant (“I help companies become greener”), is in his second term as an alderman. He has taken positions at odds with both the city administration and the Board of Aldermen’s labor-backed majority. That gives him an “independent” mantle to run on. It also means he must assemble a base of vote-pullers from scratch with no initial major institutional support.

Like Holder-Winfield, Elicker emphasized a lack of grassroots connection to city policymaking as a major theme when asked about a campaign platform.

“I think DeStefano’s been a good mayor. But we have a great city. I think we deserve a mayor that engages people more and has meaningful public dialogue, doesn’t come to the public at the 11th hour asking for approval. The public should be in the driver’s seat moving things forward,” he said in a conversation Monday with the Independent.

An example he cited: The design of the $140 million “Downtown Crossing” project filling in part of the Route 34 Connector with a new 10-story biomedically oriented office tower. The city has held dozens of public meetings on the project. But new urbanism and cycling proponents felt officials ignored their input and ended up repeating the mistakes of the 1950s and ‘60s urban renewal era in designing downtown streets for cars at the expanse of community. (Click here to read about both sides in that debate.)

Elicker championed the critics’ cause as both City Hall and members of the labor-backed aldermanic majority supported the project, which included a developer’s promise to support a “jobs pipeline” to help New Haveners work there.

“That’s one small example of how we should be engaging the public more in the process,” Elicker argued about the Downtown Crossing planning. “There was public dialogue. But a lot of the input that was given very early in the process was never incorporated in the final design.”

DeStefano Monday called Elicker’s critique “confusing.”

“There were over 50 meetings, very animated discussion, very to-the-point discussion,” DeStefano said. “It’s not a criticism of substance, of ‘Geez, does it make sense to eliminate that highway? Does it make sense to bring an employer with hundreds of jobs and millions of dollars in taxes?’ It becomes ‘People weren’t involved,’ when people were incredibly involved. It may not have come out to everyone’s satisfaction. But to suggest there wasn’t plenty of engagement is an unfortunate and disingenuous observation.

What city in Connecticut is removing highways? What city in Connecticut has as aggressive a street smarts [effort]? We have the highest number of non-motorized commuters to work of any city in Connecticut. No one argues the substance of what we’re doing here.”

Elicker has been speaking out against the city’s debt burden too. He joined Alderman Jorge Perez and others at a recent Finance Committee meeting in holding up a new plan to borrow money until aldermen get more answers on a long-term financial strategy. (Read about that here.)

“We have a skyrocketing debt. We’re not fully funding our pensions, health care,” he said. “We dipped into our fund balance by $8 million last year. The fund balance is like our bank account; we have almost no money left in the fund balance. It’s certainly not something I would do to my children’s future. We have to get the city on the right track for a sustainable future. We have to get beyond every two years and start thinking 10, 15 years” out.

School Reform Vox Populi

Like Holder-Winfield, Elicker also criticized the city’s school-reform drive for failing to include parents more.

Mayor DeStefano noted that hundreds of parents recently attended a “Parent University” day at Gateway Community College.

“It’s great that hundreds of people showed up at Parent University. But if you ask the parents I’ve been speaking with, they will say that they feel they’re asked, then when they get that input, it’s not often heard,” Elicker said.

“You talk with many parents around the city. There’s a deep frustration with the parents’ engagement in our public schools, concerns about the responsiveness of the school administration. For example, how to enroll your child into school in kindergarten. Enrolling your child in school, you have to know Greek to figure out the system.”

Mayor DeStefano touted his school reform drive as the very model of grassroots engagement.

“It started with buy-in with the New Haven Federation of Teachers, the most startling level of union cooperation which continues to this day in the operation of [High School in the Community] by the union. (Click here for links to 10 stories in a series about that experiment.)

“I think it has continued through very robust participation, everything form school-based climate surveys, where parents now grade their school and central office on school reform. I think it continued through New Haven Promise, where we’ve engaged families directly on the doors in terms of their kids’ futures. There was an extraordinary example of it last Saturday with Parent University.

“We have here an outstanding initiative around school reform. I hate to see it being torn up because of people’s political ambitions. Its record speaks incredibly well for itself. It’s acknowledged as such nationally and in this state.”

Like Holder-Winfield, Elicker has relied on social media to communicate with constituents. Click on the play arrow to watch a video he made explaining the property reassessment process when the issue flared earlier this year.

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posted by: anonymous on November 12, 2012  4:32pm

I will vote for a “clean elections” candidate by default, before considering of their any other positions. 

I hope that the other candidates use this system as well. 

Citizens need to send the message that they want their democracy to be preserved - not corrupted by massive donations from private contractors, organizations, or financial interests that the government has done business with.

posted by: streever on November 12, 2012  4:32pm

Elicker is what New Haven needs.

He actually does listen, and spends time talking to citizens on a daily basis, despite making a pittance for his efforts. He understands our issues as a city, and balances public safety and tax base growth, because (unlike the Mayor), he actually understands that safety increases growth and the tax base.

I have no doubt that John is confused about Route 34. Much like the majority of the Board of Aldermen, he refuses to listen or hear any opinion which runs contrary to his ill-conceived bias.

Despite dozens of people directly messaging him and his key staff about Route 34, he is confused, and still misunderstands (perhaps willfully?) his critics critique. Despite volunteers committing over 100 hours to public meetings, he still doesn’t understand the critique.

“Does it make sense to remove the highway” he asks, as if his critics disagree with that decision.

Of course it does.

Our frustration lies in the fact that after FIFTY MEETINGS—roughly 100 hours of our time as unpaid volunteers—the plan still:
- widens parts of the highway
- adds additional lanes
- widens turn radii making a faster roadway
- does not add sidewalks along the entire length
- abandoned the mass transit features originally in the plan

No one is unhappy with the concept, and the Mayor demonstrates that he is out of touch when he says our complaint is that we “weren’t involved”. Our complaint is that we were given a token involvement, and despite dozens of:
1. Engineers
2. Urban planners, including city staff
3. Transportation planners
4. Architects
5. Data analysts

coming out, no substantial improvements were added into the plan.

John DID NOT involve the public. He wasted their time, pretending that our opinions and input were valued, but ultimately they could not have cared less what was offered.

Elicker is a neighbor who listens, who acts, who follows up with you—someone who really cares about your opinion and explains to you in human language why he can’t accomplish something if he agrees with you. He doesn’t brush you off or disrespect you.

He isn’t a panderer, and he keeps his cool.

posted by: cedarhillresident! on November 12, 2012  4:44pm

yep now I have to comment on this!! Justin will make an amazing mayor! I am very excited that he is running and will be supporting him 100%!

posted by: Curious on November 12, 2012  4:45pm

I’d vote for Elicker in a heartbeat.  He’s one of the only aldermen that questions the status quo, and come sup with creative solutions to problems.

posted by: anonymous on November 12, 2012  4:54pm

Streever, here’s what the former Mayor of Milwaukee - one of the nation’s most highly regarded urban planners - wrote about Route 34 in the Hartford Courant on December 22, 2011:

“The U.S. Department of Transportation oft-lauded TIGER grant program is the impetus behind the Downtown Crossing plan. U.S. DOT administrators are quick to take the praise for TIGER’s allegedly innovative approaches, but now are silent in the face of this wasted opportunity. TIGER is an acronym standing for Transportation Investment Generating Economic Recovery. As now planned, it won’t. Downtown Crossing is one of the U.S. DOT’s largest projects — and it is likely to be its largest source of embarrassment since Alaska’s “Bridge to Nowhere.”

Worst national project since the Bridge to Nowhere.  If anyone at City Hall doesn’t get that reference, they ought to resign their position to someone who does.

posted by: ebw1957 on November 12, 2012  4:58pm

In a one party town this is like deciding to change who brings the cheese dip to the picnic.

There are no clear cut differences between any of them. Not one would stray from the mandatory liberal, union, socialist mantra of New Haven in this lifetime.

posted by: Michael of East Rock on November 12, 2012  5:02pm

We need Justin to replace Mayor DeStefano.  Justin is an honest, hard-working man whose constituents are more like his fan club.  Mayor DeStefano has been in the office too long and New Haven needs new leadership.

Justin shows up for us here in East Rock and he will be a great mayor for all of New Haven.

posted by: Cedar Hill Merchant on November 12, 2012  5:03pm

This is GREAT NEWS!! Justin is a hard working,caring individual. If you bring him a challenge his response is always “what can I do to help?” He will do what is needed to get a job done and done right. Justin has demonstrated his tireless and enthusiastic work ethic since becoming our Alderman. Good Luck Justin,I know you’ll make Cedar Hill proud!!!!

posted by: dharvey on November 12, 2012  5:09pm

John DeStefano deserves our thanks for pushing a terrific vision for New Haven.

Jeffrey Kerekes deserves our thanks for calling our attention to a looming budgetary crisis.

And now Justin Elicker deserves our VOTES for being able to balance his own terrific vision for the City with a deep commitment to sustainable fiscal stewardship.

Accept no substitutes.

posted by: SaveOurCity on November 12, 2012  5:16pm

although I don’t agree with all of Justin’s positions (supporting Chris Murphy?), he would be a tremendous upgrade at City Hall.  He has been a great alderman balancing a ward that contains people from all corners of the political, racial, and financial spectrum.  And, most importantly, he is willing to question the status quo. 

I encourage anyone who cares about the future of the city to meet Justin (he has ‘office hours’ at coffee shops at least once a week), ask him questions about what is important to you, and see if you agree that New Haven would be vastly improved with him as mayor.

posted by: robn on November 12, 2012  5:20pm

“We have a skyrocketing debt. We’re not fully funding our pensions, health care,” JE

Give that man a seeegar!

posted by: Lisa on November 12, 2012  5:21pm

I am thrilled to learn Justin is running.  I think he would be a terrific mayor.  Justin cares about the city he lives in as much as he cares for the people who live here. He has been an excellent alderman, taking great care in listening, explaining, developing relationships - and not just in his ward!  Justin has my full support.

posted by: THREEFIFTHS on November 12, 2012  5:38pm

All three are still parot of the crooked two party system.The donkey and the elephant symbols of the two dominant political parties are tied at the hip.When the people get upset enough they put the donkey in office.People wake up to the realization that these elected officials from the crooked two party system these days do not serve the public interest, but their own economic self interests and those of their financial backers.All three are selling you all snake-oil.


posted by: FrontStreet on November 12, 2012  5:40pm

In the campaign to address illegal traffic on the city streets (dirt-bikes and ATVs), Justin Elicker was the only alderman to take the time to listen and work with concerned New Haven residents.  And then take our concerns to the next level by engaging the mayor’s office, the NHPD and state legislators in meaningful talks on how to stop illegal traffic.

I hope he doesn’t go the way of Kerekes - a candidate for East Rock and Westville who can’t expand into the hispanic and african american vote

posted by: PamB on November 12, 2012  6:38pm

This is news I have been hoping for for several years and I pledge my support to Justin. He has always been available to answer my questions even though he is not my alder. His tutorial about the tax increases was particularly helpful. I will contact Justin directly to offer my help with his campaign.

posted by: Margaret M. on November 12, 2012  6:41pm

This is great news for New Haven! Go Justin!

posted by: Anderson Scooper on November 12, 2012  6:58pm

Elicker bio: http://cbey.research.yale.edu/users/15/213/Bios/jelicker

Without IRV (instant run-off voting), my money is still on DeStefano in a primary with a crowded field. JDS has a base that isn’t going anywhere.

The question is whether we’ll get another one-on-one contest in November. My guess is the Mayor doesn’t allow that to happen, and we see, at a minimum, one black challenger, one yuppie challenger, and maybe even one Latino.

The other question is whom the Union machine will back, if anyone…

posted by: ebw1957 on November 12, 2012  7:36pm

wow 3/5ths- did you READ the article? a 2 party system? The only 2 parties in New Haven are D and super size me D. There has not been a republican in office since 1951.

posted by: robn on November 12, 2012  7:47pm


I believe that 3 of the 4 potential rivals you mentioned already exist and that their names are Mike Smart.

posted by: Brutus2011 on November 12, 2012  8:12pm

Justin Elicker is an attractive candidate.

I know more about Gary Holder-Winfield, and he has my support.

And Mayor DeStefano really needs to go, along with all his cronies—maybe especially his cronies.

Question is: can either of these quality challengers clean up this “Tammany Hall?”

I put my money on Holder-Winfield.

posted by: jsedelstein on November 12, 2012  10:05pm

I would work for and vote to get Justin Elicker elected as our next Mayor. I said a long time ago that he should run and I’m thrilled that he’s seriously considering it. He’s what New Haven needs - a breath of fresh air, someone who cares deeply for this city and is beholden to no special interest group. Go Justin!

posted by: Jonathan Hopkins on November 12, 2012  10:18pm

yeah…but which is his favorite pizza restaurant?

posted by: THREEFIFTHS on November 12, 2012  10:32pm

posted by: Anderson Scooper on November 12, 2012 5:58pm

Elicker bio: http://cbey.research.yale.edu/users/15/213/Bios/jelicker

Without IRV (instant run-off voting), my money is still on DeStefano in a primary with a crowded field. JDS has a base that isn’t going anywhere

Now this person speaks the truth.

posted by: getyourfactstraight on November 12, 2012  10:43pm

I look forward to hearing what Justin and any other candidate might have to say….. along with their vision of how they plan to balance fairness among the taxpayers and the city employees. It is a chance for a new beginning for New Haven and I am very excited.

posted by: THREEFIFTHS on November 12, 2012  11:27pm

My bad.I forgot.The unions control the town committee.I wonder who they will pick.

posted by: win win on November 13, 2012  12:25pm

Justin is great when it comes to issues his (white, yale educated or employed, professional/managerial) East Rock constituents care about. He seems to communicate with his constituents and does a good job representing their needs. However, I don’t see him representing the entire city. To me, he has not demonstrated the ability to really expand beyond his particular set of worthwhile yet narrow concerns and issues (cycling, mainstream environmentalism), or to set aside his own biases to work effectively with various constituencies or other leaders.

New Haven is not East Rock. Justin is great for East Rock, but New Haven has some huge problems like unemployment, crime and violence that Justin doesn’t appear poised to solve. The people he represents are doing pretty well. Most have decent jobs. How will he represent people in the Hill and Newhallville who need someone that will fight for them? That will push large institutions and companies on hiring locally and making investments in the city? Elicker is a Yale apologist at heart. And while we need someone who can work with the University productively, we also need someone who will stand up for city residents who AREN’T yale alums or professors. Elicker doesn’t have that kind of fight in him, nor does he bring an economic or racial justice lens to his work. Therefore I have no use for him as mayor. He’s a great Alderman for Ward 10, though. Let’s keep him there.

posted by: JuliS on November 13, 2012  12:57pm

Justin is incredibly dedicated and passionate about making New Haven a better place, and I would wholeheartedly support his campaign.

posted by: cedarhillresident! on November 13, 2012  2:13pm

WeR1nhv really?

I have to say I live in Cedar Hill near the Hess on State. A mostly African American community and a low income community. Justin even before being our aldermen has always helped and made sure we were heard. He has gotten us a beat cop. He has gotten us a new playground. He helped our merchants form the merchants association and make it grow. He got funds to get planters to make our little area look better. He is working to get a permanent speed sign (ya know the kind that show how fast your are going)put up it is almost here. He has helped the kids in our area get into the work programs, our seniors understand what they have to help them. He has gotten trees planted and trimmed and removed. he has even helped the kids get involved in government so they can learn how to make a difference. I can go on with the list that this man has do for out community. Maybe you can come to our next blockwatch and talk to a few people over here and see what they have to say about Justin. Before you label.

posted by: streever on November 13, 2012  2:13pm

For someone who says we are all one city, you are awfully divisive!

What is good for New Haven is good for New Haven, and Elicker is good for New Haven.

New Haven is infested with cronyism politicians, from the Yale affiliated to the Mayor affiliated, and there are a handful—3?—politicians who actually take public, transparent stands on issues, despite them being unpopular. Cutting deals in the back room is not good for any part of New Haven—any short term benefit that a group may receive is quickly eliminated in the next deal. This is the very essence of shadow politics, and precisely what Elicker stands against.

The Yale affiliates don’t stand up for the people, completely rolling over on a number of issues, including Route 34.

Route 34 is an issue for ALL New Haven: not just Union employees cutting a better deal with Yale.

I’m amazed that your comment was allowed through, as it is a laundry list of unsubstantiated character attacks, implying many unsavory qualities without providing a single data point to reference.

You want to talk apologists? I’d like to hear you explain why the “anti-yale” faction completely rolled over on Route 34 without proposing even one single safety improvement for the people who live in that neighborhood—people who they claim to support better than Mr Elicker does.

Are short-term constructions jobs ACTUALLY more important than the next FIFTY YEARS of jobs? With minor improvements, we could have had a route 34 that produced:
MORE net jobs, short and long term
LESS air pollution in the corridor (#2 in the entire nation for asthma rates)
MORE money to locals through an investment in mixed use/ped friendly development with existing funds
LESS corporate handover of public space to YNHH and Winstanley

No one can stop you from empty platitudes on doorsteps during campaign season, WeR1nhv, but one can certainly speak up when you attempt to clog public discourse with implications and accusations without merit.

posted by: Curious on November 13, 2012  3:05pm

Hey WeR1nhv, how about any concrete examples to back up your accusations against Justin Elicker?  You make a lot of statements, and I would be happy to hear you back them up with facts.

For the record, how about when he fought to keep a walking beat cop in Cedar Hill?  Or his efforts to reform the school board?  What about his charter reform efforts?  Or supporting the streetcar system to help reduce asthma rates?  How about hiring back 16 laid-off cops?

I’m pretty sure that East Rock isn’t the only ward in New Haven with kids, crime, and schools, and Justin’s efforts have been to improve New Haven, not just East Rock.

Your assumption that Elicker fights hard for stereotypical yuppie East Rockers, but ONLY them and not anyone else in New Haven is not something I have seen supported in the reporting here, and frankly it’s kind of racist.

posted by: anonymous on November 13, 2012  5:23pm

WeR1NHV - nobody in New Haven brings a greater focus on equity and racial justice than Elicker and Holder Winfield. Both understand that the divisive politics you promote will not work.

They are independent from the Yale Union (DTC) hacks, which are entirely controlled by suburban-based union leaders. Their only proposals in years have been 1) a completely ineffective “jobs pipeline” that is nothing more than a fund for a few hundred people connected to the Unions to get jobs that enable people to move to the suburbs, pushing New Haven’s unemployment rate even higher, 2) a job-killing move to delay the expansion of YNHH for years to get “community benefits” later used in corrupt ways like “personal neighborhood funds”, 3) blackmailing and badmouthing Yale so that it moves to Singapore and West Haven instead of creates good jobs here.

Despite years of being more powerful than DeStefano, they have done nothing to improve mobility for young people or reduce our crime rates (other than taking credit in newsletters for 8 fewer homicides) because their focus is serving their base of older suburban union workers, not people in Newhallville or the Hill who very rarely work at Yale.

Elicker and Holder Winfield understand that we need to fix the underlying structural issues behind poverty, like job access, racial discrimination, environmental justice, and neighborhood economic development, not just give more handouts to suburban based Unions headed by corrupt officials.  For you to suggest that the degraded environment in our city is a niche issue shows just how out of touch you are about what creates jobs here.

posted by: HhE on November 14, 2012  2:49am

WeR1nhv, maybe I misunderstood your argument.  May I sum it up, and if I missed something, you could tell me?  Thanks.

Short version:

P.  Justin Elicker is white.
C.  Justin Elicker is unsuitable to be Mayor of New Haven. 

Long version:

P1.  Justin is very effective at addressing the issues of his ward.  (true)
P2.  He has too narrow a focus.  (false)
P3.  He is a bigot.  (false)
P4. New Haven is not East Rock.  (True, but East Rock is part of New Haven.  By the same token, Newhallville is not New Haven. )
P5.  He will not push large institutions and companies to hire locally.  (Problematic.  Exactly how does one force a powerful player to do something they do not wish to do? )
P6.  He is a Yale apologist.  (False, unless “Yale apologist means anyone who does not find Yale to be the Anti Christ and source of all ills and evils in New Haven, if not the world, and is constantly doing everything in their means to stick it to Yale.)
P7.  We need a mayor who can work with Yale, but must never have worked for Yale or attended Yale.  (first part true, second part false, therefor false)
P8. Justin lacks the fight needed.  (Really, when it come to standing up to the Mayor, or any other power group, who is most often in the lead?  false)
P9.  Lacks focus on economic issues and racial issues.  (false)
C.  Unsuitable for Mayor, and ought to continue as Ward 10’s representative.

posted by: THREEFIFTHS on November 14, 2012  10:11am

You forgot one.Both Justin Elicker and Gary Holder Winfield are part of the crooked two party system which have failed the people.

posted by: ebw1957 on November 14, 2012  12:11pm

threefifths- I am still waiting to hear of the 2 parties you are referring to. In New haven and most of CT there is just one.

posted by: HhE on November 14, 2012  1:18pm

Threefifths, I was evaluating WeR1nhv’s argument not yours.  So no, I did not forget about the “crooked two party system.”

Don’t forget to answer ebw1957’s question.

posted by: THREEFIFTHS on November 14, 2012  6:55pm

posted by: ebw1957 on November 14, 2012 11:11am

threefifths- I am still waiting to hear of the 2 parties you are referring to. In New haven and most of CT there is just one.

Simple.Is not the Republican party line open.Because no one ran as a Republican.The party line is still a part of the system.Linda McMahon run as a Republican.Look at capital in hartford.Run by the Two major party system.Show me were in CT. that these is no Republican party on record.

posted by: SaveOurCity on November 15, 2012  12:18pm

Threefifths:  You are going to have to try again.  Yes, Republicans exist and occasionally run for office in New Haven but on the same level as the Green Party, Libertarians, and Communists.  Look at reality, the problem is that New Haven is a ONE PARTY system.  No one excepts Dems ran in the last mayoral race, 27 of the 30 aldermanic districts, our state rep (Rloand Lamar unopposed) and our state senate (Looney unopposed).  No matter what your political leaning is, with a little thought, one comes to the conclusion that this is unhealthy and does not lead to helpful government.

posted by: THREEFIFTHS on November 15, 2012  6:51pm

What you donot understand is that the problem is that the reason it is a one party system as you say it is.Is that dems out number the republicans.But as I said on paper there are Two parties.Now to solve the problem of the one party system.I keep saying Bring in Proportional Representation along with term limits and this would take care of the one party system.

posted by: HhE on November 16, 2012  1:22am

3/5ths, you keep saying it, but that does not make it true. 

Proportional representation with one party is still one party.

Term limits replace the person, not the party or the machine.

posted by: THREEFIFTHS on November 16, 2012  9:18am

posted by: HhE on November 16, 2012 12:22am

3/5ths, you keep saying it, but that does not make it true.

Proportional representation with one party is still one party.

Term limits replace the person, not the party or the machine.

Again Under the system of Proportional Representation you would not have one party.You would have more then one party.


Term limits replace the person, not the party or the machine.

The people are the machine and party.Term limits will get rid of career politicians like king John.Your problem is you are against Term limits and Proportional Representation.

posted by: HhE on November 16, 2012  10:18am

3/5ths, the assumption that proportional representation creates multiparty systems is unsound. 

Most of the (corrupt) system, especially at the national level, is unelected.  As much as I should like to see Destefino and DeLora go, term limits is not a systemic solution to a systemic problem.

I am not opposed to proportional representation, I just don’t think it will usher in a new age of plurality.  I do have reservations about term limits, yet I support them in the case of the Presidency, and I think Supreme Court Justices ought to serve no more than 20 years, if that.

posted by: ebw1957 on November 16, 2012  12:49pm

One party rule is like this - a nice dog, but it chases its own tail all the time.


posted by: MegIfill on November 20, 2012  12:11pm

@Threefifths: You definitely don’t sound like a Cedar Hill resident. Justin does not only represent East Rock.

Specifically awesome:
1)Last week saw him strongly advocating for all of City of New Haven community at Alderman meeting in City Hall while others tried to keep status quo. Glances were exchanged and some changed their vote to veto his recommendation to include public which amounted to NOT having backroom meetings; the vote passed was FOR back-room meetings.
2)Fri saw him jogging through East Rock Park. Health to maintain stamina for demands of workload is key.

3) Saturday morning:
a) cleaning (really disgusting garbage) and planting shrubs in East Rock Park and
b) same afternoon at Parent Forum meeting at Wilson Library.

Justin has been at almost every Cedar Hill Neighborhood meeting and has been in the trenches cleaning and beautifying East Rock Park AND Cedar Hill streets and parking lot.

Cedar Hill has had and still has some serious criminal issues from within and coming from outside the neighborhood.  Having an accessible Alderman who has successfully partnered with the residents of the “bad part” of the district and police is testament to his being able to transfer his abilities to cover the City.

If anyone speaks with him for even 5 minutes, while a politician, you get a pretty clear sense of who he is; not changing with each conversation to brown-nose.

People should meet him before making negative comments.  Check his attendance and voting record compared to those Aldermen that say one thing to constituents and vote the opposite way.

My children and I will be attending more City meetings.