The city has been preparing to put in sidewalks on a busy stretch of Quinnipiac Avenue, where their absence has for years forced neighbors like Edna Morrison (pictured) to walk in the street with speeding cars. The project hit a speed bump, though, after an alderman discovered that it would consume about half of the city’s annual budget for sidewalk work.
West Rock Alderman Darnell Goldson raised his concerns at Thursday night’s meeting of the Board of Aldermen’s City Services and Environmental Policy Committee, which was considering the Quinnipiac Avenue sidewalk project. The plan calls for new or repaired sidewalks on both sides of Quinnipiac Avenue between Foxon Boulevard/Rt. 80 and Foxon Hill Road in the Quinnipiac Meadows neighborhood.
The section of Quinnipiac Avenue marks the border between Ward 11 to the east and Ward 12 to the west. Ward 11 Alderwoman Maureen O’Sullivan-Best argued on Thursday evening that the street sorely needs sidewalks. Missing sidewalks force people in wheelchairs and moms with strollers to move onto the shoulder and risk being struck by a car whizzing by, she said.
That argument failed to sway West Rock’s Alderman Goldson. He objected to the project’s estimated price tag of $500,000. It amounts to approximately half the city’s annual budget for sidewalk repair, said city Chief Administrative Officer Rob Smuts. That’s too much money to go to one neighborhood, Goldson said, sparking a debate about the project.
The committee ended up voting to table the item until next month in order to allow Ward 12 Alderman Gerald Antunes and City Engineer Dick Miller to weigh in on the plan.
Miller wasn’t able to make it to Thursday’s meeting. Instead, Howard Weisburg, deputy director of the Department of Public Works, outlined the project for aldermen. He was joined by Smuts at the conference table in City Hall’s aldermanic chamber.
The project would put in sidewalks where there are now none and repair sidewalks in disrepair. One aim of the plan is to provide safe pedestrian routes to and from the Bishop Woods School, at 1481 Quinnipiac Ave. Work on the east side of Quinnipiac Avenue would begin this fall. Work on the west side is more complicated due to grading, and would require more engineering work before it begins. A public neighborhood meeting was held to discuss the project on June 15.
Goldson (pictured) was the first to ask a question: What’s the total set aside for sidewalk work in the city budget?
A million dollars, Smuts replied.
The Quinnipiac Avenue project would then take about 50 percent of the total budget? Goldson asked.
Correct, Smuts confirmed.
Smuts said the city has implemented a new policy for prioritizing sidewalk repair. Precedence is to be given to areas around schools and with very “high traffic,” Smuts said. “We are really shifting away from replacing complete blocks of sidewalks.”
While the Bishop Woods school has a sidewalk on Quinnipiac Avenue, that sidewalk ends abruptly at the edge of the school zone. The area has a high percentage of students who walk to school, Smuts said.
O’Sullivan-Best (pictured) stepped up to testify in favor of the plan. She said sidewalk installation and repair in the area would be the fulfillment of a promise unkept for over 40 years. It’s not just for schoolchildren, she said. It’s also for disabled and elderly pedestrians. Because of the absence of sidewalks, mothers with children in strollers have to go out into the street to push their child down Quinnipiac Avenue with cars barreling past.
O’Sullivan-Best’s testimony finished, she and Alderman Goldson were appointed to the committee in order to have a quorum.
When the sidewalk proposal came up for a vote, Goldson said he couldn’t support it. “Fifty percent. I just can’t get past that number.” He asked why the project couldn’t be done in pieces, over several years. “I will have to oppose this item.”
“Having patiently waited for 45 years, the neighborhood is entitled to this,” said O’Sullivan-Best.
“Every neighborhood has folks who have waited many, many years for sidewalks to get done,” Goldson said. He said he couldn’t go back to his constituents and say that 50 percent of the city’s sidewalk budget is going somewhere else.
“We’re technically not looking at the financing of this,” interjected committee chair East Rock Alderman Justin Elicker. The committee’s purview is the approval of the project only, not its cost, he said.
Goldson suggested the project be broken up over five years, at $100,000 per year. “It’s going to be good for her ward,” he said, indicating O’Sullivan-Best. “It’s not going to benefit my ward greatly.”
“Do you propose we just deny this?” Elicker asked. He asked Goldson if he wanted to propose an amendment to the item.
“I’m not going to propose an amendment, because I just saw this,” Goldson said. He said he might have a suggestion by the time it comes before the full board.
“You can’t do it in five years,” said O’Sullivan-Best. If a pedestrian is struck by a car while walking in the road because a sidewalk doesn’t exist, the city could be liable, she said.
It’s a state road, wouldn’t the state be liable? asked Goldson.
“No, sir,” said O’Sullivan-Best. “The liability will be on us as well.”
Elicker called Smuts and Weisburg to testify a second time, on how a delay in committee approval would affect the project’s timeline.
Smuts (pictured) took the opportunity to first correct his previous statement about the annual sidewalk budget. The total is actually $950,000, plus $150,000 in emergency funding. In addition, $1.5 million is set aside for the West Rock redevelopment project, which includes sidewalk construction, Smuts said. That comment drew a laugh from Goldson—in whose ward that money will be spent—and other aldermen.
Smuts said the Quinnipiac Avenue project could possibly be broken into two years, with the lower-cost east side moving forward first.
A delay of a month to allow the committee more time to consider the project could result in the work not being completed this fall, Smuts said.
Wooster Square Alderman Mike Smart said he wanted to make sure the completion of the west side, in Alderman Antunes’ ward, was not jeopardized by delay.
“It seems like this item needs more investigation,” Elicker said.
“I’m comfortable tabling it so Alderman Antunes and the city engineer can come back with a map,” O’Sullivan-Best said.
The committee voted unanimously to table the item.
Smuts said he found the vote “disappointing” as it may mean missing the fall construction season.
Edna In The Street
At 11:15 on Friday morning, Edna Morrison was walking on the east side of Quinnipiac Avenue towards Foxon Boulevard, where she planned to catch the bus. With overgrown bushes and no sidewalks on the side, Morrisonn was forced to walk in the street.
“It’s aggravating,” she said. “It’s dangerous.”
Morrison said she was in favor of putting in new sidewalks. “They should have been put in a long time ago,” she said. “It’s just dangerous, period.”
Morrison said she has been living off Quinnipiac Avenue for 14 years. She’s heard he share of terrifying stories about walking on the street. She said a good friend of hers was walking with her son two years ago on the shoulder of the street when a drunk driver swerved into them and “knocked her child out of her hand.” He spent several months in the hospital recovering. “The car just came and took her right from her,” Morrison said. The woman had been walking in the street because of a lack of sidewalks.
“It’s crazy. It’s kind of stupid,” said a woman walking her 5-year-old daughter from Bishop Woods School. She declined to give her name, asking that she be described only as a concerned parent that wants sidewalks. She said she’ll be walking her daughter to kindergarten this year.
Chairs Still Empty
Thursday’s meeting was the third in a row where aldermanic absenteeism forced Chair Elicker to appoint ad hoc members to the City Services and Environmental Policy Committee, in order to have a quorum.
The meeting was attended by committee members Smart, Elicker, and Westville Aldermen Sergio Rodriguez and Greg Dildine. Rodriguez left partway through the meeting. Missing were Aldermen Joey Rodriguez, Jackie James-Evans, and Greg Morehead.
“Before every meeting, I try to get committee members to show,” Elicker said. He said he asks aldermanic staff to contact committee members before the meeting. He said he’s considering changing the time of the meeting to allow more aldermen to attend, if they have other commitments that are interfering.
Meetings are held once a month on a Thursday at 6 p.m.
The city can give millions in tax breaks and other deals to corporate development projects, yet it can’t fund sidewalk projects for its citizens. There aren’t words to describe the sentiments provoked. What good are all of the new schools if children risk their lives getting to them?
posted by: streever on August 27, 2010 1:35pm
I sympathize with Alderman Goldson on the cost issue, but this is a requirement of any serious city, to provide sidewalks for all residents. 1 million? How much do we spend on subsidizing motorized transport in New Haven?
posted by: Eva G. on August 27, 2010 1:56pm
That this area has needed sidewalks for forty years is ridiculous and appalling. I sincerely hope that the city can arrange a plan in which this work can be done as soon as possible, and I hope that in the meantime none of the maniacs driving out there plow anyone else down. Morrison’s story about the drunk driver is horrible; as someone who spends an awful lot of time strolling the streets of New Haven with a small child, this is one of my worst fears. (Though the way people drive in this town, even stone cold sober drivers scare the hell out of me, too.)
posted by: Jon on August 27, 2010 1:57pm
Especially sidewalks along a historic district on the side of a beautiful river, its AMAZING there never was a place to walk.
posted by: Lisa on August 27, 2010 2:37pm
Q Ave definitely needs these sidewalks. people drive too fast there, whizzing by honest, hardworking people just trying to get home safely. What will it take - a death? What is a life worth? It’s only a matter of time. I bet Goldson has sidewalks where his residents need them. I live on the other side of Foxon, which does have some sidewalks, but not enough. I can’t even go for a walk in my neighborhood without being in danger of getting hit by a car. So I drive, and while driving, I am even afraid of hitting someone who is unnecessarily in the street or shoulder. Maureen is right, and Goldson is wrong.
posted by: Top Half on August 27, 2010 2:55pm
For some people it’s all about the press coverage and talking points. For others it’s about the people.
When First Student buses were pulling in this afternoon to the Bishop Woods car’s only drive way the Bishop Woods alderwoman was on the phone with First Student to make certain all drivers know that the bus drop off is behind the school.
It’s mind-boggling how many times an issue can be discussed. Less discussion, more commonsense is need.
posted by: Terrible on August 27, 2010 3:06pm
Maybe Mr. Goldson misunderstood.
These people lack a sidewalk. Does anyone in his neighborhood LACK A SIDEWALK?
A city needs to be able to have priorities. That he would like some sidewalk repairs is pretty silly in the face of two facts:
1. These residents of the City LACK A SIDEWALK, and;
2. The City is already spending millions to do a complete renovation of his ward.
Given #2, shouldn’t he really not complain if a much needed project is supported elsewhere but a small portion of his ward has to wait a little bit.
Sounds like another chance to get his name in the paper. By my count he has a really good idea about 1 out of every 10 times. The other 9 times are some kind of inconsistent or hypocritical position like this one.
Why has he not come out against the City spending millions on his ward when that money could be spread out across the city? Why can’t we get some of that money in Newhallville or the Hill? Why is it all going to West Rock? Maybe because the City has developed a plan to put the resources where they are needed most.
In that case, West Rock has needed redevelopment of its public housing for decades. And this neighborhood has needed sidewalks for decades. Both are justified by their unique problems. It’s small not to see the similarity.
If the city only spread its money out to each ward, then very little of value would get done in terms of physical improvements anywhere. In the case of $500,000, if we spread that out to all 30 wards, we would only have $16,667 of small improvements in each ward and it would take 30 years to give these people a sidewalk. That’s just silly.
The City invests all the time in major renovation projects, like a school or a park which take all of the relevant funds for that year. But then the next year the city fixes something else in a different neighborhood. That makes sense.
It’s good that the West Rock public housing developments are being rebuilt and that funds are being concentrated to do that. It’s good that previously Q-Terrace was rebuilt the same way or that Hillhouse was renovated.
This is not a hard concept, unless one just wants to score political points. It’s time to act like we are adults.
I think this neighborhood needs continuous, usable and pleasant sidewalks as much as any other sprawling suburban development does. Unfortunately, this pattern of car-dependent development does not have the density, population nor tax volume to justify this type of expenditure. However, there is immense opportunity to develop a neighborhood around Foxon Blvd and Quinnipiac Avenue that generates the type of revenue, creates enough wealth, and manifests enough human activity to support sidewalks, bike lanes, frequent transit service, local shops, solid jobs, civic buildings and public green space. The steps needed to arrive at this goal are relatively easy, and they include, at the very least, adopting an optional Traditional Neighborhood Development (TND) code for the Quinnipiac Meadows section, and at best immediately adopting a form based zoning code (like the SmartCode) to replace our current Euclidean zoning laws; the city also needs to develop a master plan for Quinnipiac Meadows that phases projects based on priority that will make the neighborhood attractive for mixed use, mixed income private development, inclusive and livable for existing residents, and beneficial to the overall city, which may include improved sidewalks, creation of new streets, upgrades to rail lines, bike lanes, on street parking, consolidated parking structures and lots in interior blocks, bus-only lanes, crosswalk upgrades, street tree plantings and the purchasing of land to set aside for public space and civic buildings, and the master plan should also reserve land for farming; and finally the city may want to provide incentives or subsidies to certain types of businesses, stores and housing as a way of accelerating the process of desirable development. A master plan should also include moving the industrial and office parks that little the landscape next to I-91 over to south of Foxon Blvd near Walmart and the train tracks. This area will be elemental in the creation of new local jobs, with its connections to the highway, rail and a neighborhood. Foxon Blvd should be a pedestrian, bike and transit friendly street lined with mixed use retail, office and housing buildings. Side streets should remain heavily residential with a mix of compatible housing types with a few corner stores, laundromats, businesses, etc even deployed throughout a network of interconnecting, walkable streets.
Paris, as an example, did not use any public financing to pay for Haussmann’s 19th century renovation, which included demolition of enormous swaths of developed urban neighborhoods and construction of a brand new, state of the art, and elaborate network of wide Boulevards and Avenues. The revenue generated from the selling of the property along these newly created streets to private developers was enough to cover the costs of purchasing private land in slum areas, clearing that land and constructing new public infrastructure.
posted by: Angry with City Hall on August 27, 2010 3:55pm
Just keeping dumping money to those who don’t contribute or care what the neighborhood looks like and scare away the hard working tax payers who want to be safe and enjoy their neighborhood. Goldson you should spend time in other neighborhoods before you stall big projects like this. If you waste enough time someone will get killed or everyone who cares will move out of the neighborhood to the ‘burbs. Nice going… tax payers lose AGAIN!!! Thanks for nothing city hall.
posted by: just a guy on August 27, 2010 4:06pm
Why not just build the sidewalks on one side of the street and cut the costs in half.
posted by: anon on August 27, 2010 4:07pm
Why not tax the 80% of city salary value that ends up going to other towns? Then we’d have more than enough to pay for sidewalks for our community.
(or to get around the union BS more quickly, lower city salaries across the board, and then give back huge incentives to the 20% who actually live here)
posted by: terrapin on August 27, 2010 5:46pm
Yes, let’s have these taxpaying citizens continue to walk along this insanely busy road so that we can make sure there’s money to fix some cracks in the aleady-existing sidewalks in Westville.
How about considering how much has been saved over the 350 years where there were no sidewalks along here?
So what if it’s half the budget? It’s money to be spent on sidewalks, and this area has long been in dire need of sidewalks. Must we wait until some kid gets hit?
posted by: terrapin on August 27, 2010 5:51pm
What kind of way is this to run a city? Why do these people run for office and get on these committees if they cannot be bothered to show up for meetings?
posted by: Melissa on August 27, 2010 6:30pm
Maybe a start to helping out while we wait a month for the decision to be made would be trimming back the overgrowth on the road. It is a jungle out there, literally!
posted by: THREEFIFTHS on August 27, 2010 9:28pm
Blame those who vote for the crooked two party system.Until you get rid of this two party system.This is what you will keep on geting.
posted by: Ned on August 28, 2010 9:44am
Aside from the initial cost of installing these sidewalks, who is going to pay for the maintenance of the sidewalks? Who is going to clear the snow in the winter? no one. Who is going to sweep the broken glass and debris from the sidewalks - no one. Who is going to trim the overhanging branches and shrubs from the sidewalk - no one. Who is going to trim the grass (weeds most likely) from the useless “curb strip”, which is a feature of every poorly designed, sidewalk in this city - no one. What you’re going to end up with is a $1,000,000 spent on something that looks exactly like this: http://tiny.cc/4eief
posted by: Walt on August 28, 2010 12:48pm
Why not just require the homeowner to install and maintain the sidewalk at his own expense? That is what would usually occur if the property were in Hamden and most other area towns I believe.
Those who are now subsidized complain the mos ... who do pay taxes etc, while ignoring that there are no taxes on his bike, no drivers’license fees on all bikists and still they demand spending for special reserved spots snd lanes and services for the bikists.
The bikists get special treatment, while paying for none of their privileges, like lax enforcement of law violations by the bikists. ...
Those folks who get special treatment and continually ask for extra , but pay nothing, should rethink their pleas.
posted by: nfjanette on August 28, 2010 8:33pm
Mr. Goldson is correct to raise concerns about the issue, which has nothing to do with the worthiness of the project, but rather with the idea of funding a major capital improvement project from a funds that are arguably maintenance funds. If the city and the residents support the project, perhaps it should have been funded as a separate “line item” in the budget.
On a larger scale of thought, I’d like to see the city increase by a factor the budget and work put into such infrastructure creation and maintenance. The patchwork approach to most sidewalks, has created wild variance in the state of repairs as well as generally looking bad. This could also be a training and employment opportunity for local people as well, whether the work is performed by city labor or private firms.
posted by: streever on August 29, 2010 3:04pm
3/5ths, Greece has a proportional rep. system and has shut down schools all over the country. Not sure that it is a silver bullet.
Walt: Almost 100% of cyclists own cars. Your car tax actually does not pay for any road construction at all. Homeowner taxes—which we all pay in our rent or our mortgage—and income taxes fund road construction.
If I was going to use your logic, I’d say as a non-driver, I’ve subsidized your way of life for the last 8 years. However, I’m a more reasonable person, and I acknowledge my wide use of “grocery stores”, which are supplied by trucks that drive on roadways. We all use the roads, and we all subsidize them. Trust me, the 30 dollars that suburbanites pay for their car tax in small town CT does not give them some exclusive right to the road.
posted by: William Kurtz on August 29, 2010 7:50pm
... Do your homework: I am pretty sure that there’s no town in greater New Haven where homeowners have to pay to install and maintain sidewalks. In most towns, of course, the property owner is required to clear sidewalks of snow and obstructions but that’s hardly the same thing.
posted by: Townie on August 30, 2010 8:06am
I’m sure if this was a neighborhood near Yale or Eastrock, the sidewalks would have already been installed. There shouldn’t be much debate about the issue, it is a matter of public safety and, to me, common sense. Install the sidewalks so that people can walk safely through the neighborhood. Only in New Haven would this issue be up for such debate. In most other Connecticut towns this would be an easy item to approve and finalize
posted by: Bill on August 30, 2010 8:07am
3/5s “crooked two party system” There is only 1 party in New Haven and only a handful of people pick the candidates in the shame called a primary. It’s very similar to the system that the Soviet Union had.
posted by: Vinny G on August 30, 2010 9:03am
The City should put out a separate bid for sidewalks at this location only. Its a buyers market now. Contractors are low balling bids to keep there door open at break even prices. Look at this years and last year city side walk bids via NH Purchasing’s web site. Same quantities, less cost even with higher concrete cost.
posted by: Walt on August 30, 2010 9:48am
Unless there have been recent changes you will find both that , if new sidewalks are required say because of a new school, the abutting homeowner must pay as I said.
So too, if the abutting sidewalk becomes unsafe, other than say when a Town-owned tree causes the damage.
You really should pay more attention to your claimed facts.
posted by: Walt on August 30, 2010 10:12am
If you are to keep demanding free special rules and favors for bikists such as special parking areas, special lanes, easy treatment of traffic violations ... and other favors it may be time to stop your free ride and toss in a few fees or taxes.
Where can I get that $30 suburbanite car tax you cite? Certainly not in my Town, Hamden
PPS: Apologies to the bikists. I know it is not really a word but use it often as a mild irritant. You bikists are always demanding a new favor or special treatment, but never offer to pay for anything, it seems.
We even had a bikist on this site objecting because a headline truthfully stated that bikists were a danger and often criminal in some parts of New Haven.
Someone should counter the bikists’ propaganda.
I do it occasionally.
posted by: William Kurtz on August 30, 2010 12:09pm
Actually, what I found when I looked was that in most cases, and especially when they were required because of new schools, municipal funding pays for sidewalks. This is true in your town of Hamden (scroll down to Rep. Villano’s 7/12/2004 press release regarding bonds for improvements to Whitneyville).
This story is out of Naugatuck, where a homeowner was apparently under the same impression as you. I do agree he has a point—I would be angry too if I had waited fruitlessly for the city to repair something, paid for it myself, and then saw they were planning to tear that up and do it again at additional expense.
And even though this sidewalk goes directly to a major retailer who in theory should benefit and be able to afford to pay, it’s being paid for with a federal stimulus grant.
But I stand partially corrected; it does seem that the city of Norwich requires property owners to pay for new sidewalks but they do pony up for the granite curbing.
posted by: streever on August 30, 2010 12:37pm
Walt, my property & income taxes finance the road system. It’s transparent & published by the State of CT in their annual budget—sources of revenue and where they are spent. Car taxes DO NOT pay for the road system.
Of course “bikists” ask for things. You have a multi-million dollar highway system exclusively catering to you that we subsidize.
... You simply sit back and enjoy that which you have been given for free, and then actively discourage others from receiving even 1/100th that which they pay for you to enjoy.
posted by: Townie on August 30, 2010 3:05pm
Roadways and sidewalks are publicly funded and publicly owned. The “bikists” pay just as much in taxes as the “carists” (making up words is fun), but they’re often treated as 2nd class citizens. “Walkists” are usually regarded as 3rd class. I consider myself a walkist a.k.a pedestrian and lately it seems its open season on those who travel by foot. Here in the Nutmeg State we all share the burden of being over-taxed. We should dismiss an attitude of conflict and work cooperatively to create a practical solution to the transportation and road sharing issues. Recent events in New Haven should emphasize the necessity of a radical change to our streets and walkways. All neighborhoods should have sidewalks, bike paths/lanes, and all necessary signage, speed bumps, etc.
posted by: Walt on August 30, 2010 4:12pm
Again you have mixed up apples and oranges
Check Hamden.com re regular rules for sidewalks in Hamden
What you cited re Pete Villano applied only to one neighborhood getting a special subsidy. Other exceptions also apply.
Your illustration is not germane.
posted by: THREEFIFTHS on August 31, 2010 9:20am
posted by: streever on August 29, 2010 4:04pm 3/5ths, Greece has a proportional rep. system and has shut down schools all over the country. Not sure that it is a silver bullet.
And countries like Germany Sweden and Switzerland have it and look at them.Plus under the crooked two party system ...They shut down schools and have laid teachers off.Also under your crooked two party system why is the election being Finance with tax payers money.Under proportional representation you don’t have this problem.
posted by: Bill on August 30, 2010 9:07am 3/5s “crooked two party system” There is only 1 party in New Haven and only a handful of people pick the candidates in the shame called a primary. It’s very similar to the system that the Soviet Union had.
You are right.Both are the same.
posted by: Walt on August 31, 2010 7:16pm
As bikists, bikists pay no taxes or registration fees, local or State other than a small sales tax as opposed to car owners hit with all three .
Seems that registration of bikes and licencing of operators could raise a few bucks which the State or Towns could certainly use.
Charge the freeloading bikists like Kurtz and Streever , and add small parking fees, if that is not now done,
Would make it easier to catch and fine the myriad bikists who ignore traffic laws or the criminal bikists who attack and rob folks in some sections of our area
posted by: mary on August 31, 2010 8:09pm
I agree with Goldson, “It’s A STATE ROAD” let the state put in the sidewalks. Morrison said she lived there for 14 years, why complain now.
If the City get involve then the City of New Haven will be liable for injuries, so leave it along. There’s bigger fish that needs to be fried.
posted by: William Kurtz on September 1, 2010 5:04am
Freeloading . . . that’s rich. Shall we compare automobile and residential property tax bills next, and maybe income tax returns as well? Seems to me that as I pay sales tax on bicycles and parts in addition to the aforementioned property taxes on my house and car, I’m actually a little ahead of plenty of car drivers, including, I am guessing, you. Seems completely fair then that I ask for full and complete use of the the roads and streets in accordance with the law, doesn’t it? I don’t even mind freeloading motorists such as you, Walt, taking advantage of them as well, as long as you adhere rigidly to all the laws such as speed limits and stop signals. Not like those scofflaws I encounter daily.
Oh, and by the way, the only mention I was able to find on Hamden.com about sidewalks (beyond the ordinance about dogs pooping on them) was that the town public works department is responsible for their replacement. It looks like the question of who installs them in the first place is still up in there air; post the relevant information if you actually have it: http://www.hamden.com/content/7089/7093/7091/7125/default.aspx
posted by: Walt on September 1, 2010 12:49pm
1, Your illustration re Public Works web page does not say what you claim.
Read the second line of the first sentence of your illustration. Note that it applies ONLY to TOWN-OWNED property NOT property owned by residents.
Read my comment .It says that bikists, when acting as bikists are freeloaders.
Does not say you are a freeloader in everything you do, as you imply, but just in your bikist efforts Therefore your other taxes cited are immaterial
posted by: Over ten years on September 1, 2010 3:10pm
Dear Mr. Goldson, Before you worry about how much is being spent on this ward, maybe you ought to go out to the Bishop Woods School and park your car and watch the zoo and dangerous situation, especially in wintertime, where the children are now in the street, cause there’s no sidewalk. Just exactly is the cost do you figure to replace a childs life or disability for a life, because you’re concerned with the price tag.
posted by: William Kurtz, Freeloading Bikist on September 7, 2010 9:34am