New Haven Occupiers Clash With NYC Cops

It is absolute nonsense that these 1,000 clowns in New York claim to be the 99 % of the City which would translate to approximately 8,910,000 based on a 9 million population. They are way ,way short in numbers and ideas, and would have no impact whatsoever if it were not for the media's view of what is relevant news.

I'm so proud of them!

@CBA
The clowns are the people who sit by and do nothing.What would you say if DR.king was down there.Would you call him a clown.He would be there.You and others better wake up.A friend of mine wrote this.

Greetings again Fellow Comrades.

This and all other fascist invasions by the Force Publique to unlawfully conquer Public Spaces and Public Squares must be address. The Force Public are a rouge para military force that colonizes that space and unlawfully installs new rules at the behest of the 1%. The allowance of the unlawful practice must be ended.

I find a very strange connection to this latest pogrom carried out in the dead of night by the Force Publique. We must alert all we know about the very troubling and disturbing language and Nazi terminology used by imperial Field Marshal Kelly ( the head of the Force Public). He was in full command of this fascist pogrom at " Liberty Plaza". He stated to the press clearly for all to hear the following statement. " We are here and are going to SANITIZE the park". Ask yourself where have you heard this terminology used in conjunction with clearing the Public Square or space? The very same term of SANITIZATION was used by the commanding officers of the Schutzstaffel ( the Waffen SS or Gestapo ) when ordering the clearing of the Public Square of those whom were verbalizing opposition to the little murderous psychopath in charge wishes and policies. You know the little dictator with the trade mark small slim black mustache. Two names high up in the Schutzstaffel that come to mind who coined this phrase often were Joseph Goebbels and Heinrich Himmler.

You may be asking why am I raising and waving the warning flag around policies of a rouge police state? Well lets look at several behaviors that support the claim to the rise of nazism. This illegal raid had all the elements
of a Waffen SS action to suppress the will of the public. The beating and arresting under false changes of Public Officials or regular Citizens who are in opposition of policies of the regime. The unlawful destruction of personal property and belongings of Citizens who are in opposition of policies of the regime . The unlawful destruction of books and reading materials removed from the shelves of public and private libraries which take a unfavorable approach to the policies of the regime. This time they didn't burn them they just destroyed them. These are a small part of the "Brown Shirt " Behavior exhibited by the Force Publique since and before the the beginning of Occupy Wall Street.

We also remember what happened to those people who were gathered up and carted away by the Schultstaffel's unchallenged illegal brutal actions to SANITIZE areas of opposition. And when space ran out in the camps to house those individuals whom were SANITIZED from the view of the 1%. The SANITIZATION was step up to what is now known as the final solution. Yet the billionaire price of darkness body language shows us he appears to be totally unfazed by the language in the slightest. Much like the upper realms of the Merchant Class who collaborated with the Fascist Regime until they found themselves facing the open doors of the ovens. He has not only been complacent but has most likely behind the seen rallied his media contacts in the corporate media to aid and assist in squelching the discourse from the media's pundits.

In addition the failure of the corporate media's coverage of this event. Is a clear evidence of the strong coercion to look the other way when instructed by the Force Publique. This mornings coverage clearly demonstrates this with the thirty second to one minute sporadic interval coverage of the abuse about to take place. On more than one occasion we have been forced to watch several charades take place on our streets passing as news. When the news room had its orders not to turn the cameras away and programing is preempted. Things like rain storms, seasonal snow storms or a traffic accident, ect. Yet when the helicopters received the order they pulled back to comply with the blackout. because the abuse Force Publique was about to kick in and no witnesses would be far more desirable for the benefit of the regime. They willingly comply because they are paid off by the 1% with salaries enabling them to several mouthfuls from off the table left for them by the 1%. which makes them all too often willful collaborators to the malfeasance and fascist conditions. created by the present rouge regime. With the billionaire price of darkness at the helm.

Also now like then this fascist regime like that rouge police state has pressured and gained the aid of a lax if not complacent Judiciary. Who from the bench dole out flawed often many times unconstitutional and non partial judgments in favor of the 1%. Many show the physical signs of having ones genitals placed in a financial press until the requested verdict has been rendered. The call goes out and the perpetrators of Wall Street malfeasance are released or never swept up, but the Public Square must be SANITIZED. By any means of force necessary. I am reminded by the film Judgment at Nuremberg which dramatized a trail of a Nazi Jurist who was so called just following orders.

Now as for the Sanitation Workers who willingly followed and assisted in carrying out unlawful orders. To destroy personal property while assisting in an illegal eviction. Also willfully carried out Nazi behavior by destroying books and reading material to aid the suppression of free political speech. Are nothing more than low self esteem ill moral Vichy Collaborators. Who are more than willing to work diligently against their own interest in service of the 1%. Rather than use the one of many tools in their hands. That tool is with holding their labor and work by the book. The park should have taken a half a week to clean up with the skillful envisioning of equipment failures and the full compliance to all safety regulations. Or illness from being forced to due a n unlawful act at an ungodly hour of the day. Instead they make quick work in the service of their slave masters the 1%. They were all too willing to break the record of "Book Time" used to judge their present performance. Giving aid to setting a new standard of "Taylorism" used against them in the future. A sure failure of Corporate Unionist to educate their Shop Stewards or their workers. in short they were gladly working way too hard to place the 1% that consistently takes a crap on them without cause.

The rise of fascism is a deadly slow to grow by quick to spread virus. Fascism with the help of greedy Capitalism works like the E-Bola a flesh eating disease on steroids. Only difference is that it devours the skin that holds the humanity of our society together. This must be fought on every front and have all the elements that lend there support to fascism. So in the interest of society and social justice the rouge Elected Officials who lend aid to the malfeasance must be recalled or removed from office.

" the Radical Educator"


Sound like New Haven very soon.

I had respect for the protesters message when they first started. No more. They have made getting to work hell, they have killed local business (their fellow 99%ers) and have provoked violence towards cops and innocents. What I witnessed this morning when I got off of the subway was a bunch of self righteous brainwashed fools making every attempt to get arrested. Like another poster noted theses people are not representative of the 99%. And im guessing from your coverage that you guys (NHI)support these rebels without a clue. things have to change but this isnt the way. Lobby congress or your local politician, not your fellow 99%ers who are paying the price for your foolishness.

Whether you (or we) agree with their views or not, it is legitimate that we ask about the handcuff policy of NYPD and verify the safety of New Haveners who were exercising their First Amendment rights.
What lockup were they taken to? How are they being treated? It was documented by PREA <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Prison_Rape_Elimination_Commission&quot;&gt;&quot;Prison Rape Elimination Commission</a> that nonviolent offenders, and those of small stature, are at higher risk for sexual assault in lockup. This is an old story from Civil Rights days, but was documented in the PREA commission work.
Perhaps there was some violent behavior or threat on Sara's part that justified handcuffs. If so, I'd like to hear it. And since the story claims that her husband asked to be arrested with her and was refused, that raises further questions.

posted by: roger huzendubel on November 17, 2011 12:07pm

Lobby congress or your local politician, not your fellow 99%ers who are paying the price for your foolishness

Congress license to steal,others go to jail.The politicians are control by wall street.In fact they make big profits from wall strret.

Congress: Trading stock on inside information


http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7388130n&amp;tag=contentMain;contentAux

And this is why they are out there.

Thank God we have brave patriots like this, speaking up about all the horrible things this country is going through. People speaking out against them should be ashamed of themselves!

First to bring Dr. King in this is an outrage. What he did and what these s...s are doing is totally different. Rep. Dillon ... They are breaking the law. You have the right to protest. But causing other people not to be able to go to their jobs is not leagal. Vinger soaking bandits is childish. They should charge these ... with crimes. Why that girl Sara is crying I don't know. The old saying if you can't do the time then don't do the crime. They don't represent th 99% They are less then the 1%. Enough is Enough They need to go lock them ... up and let the police do more useful things. New Haven kick them out.

I say 'thank you' to sara and ray and the others for standing up and speaking for the rest of us.
It can't be fun or romantic to cuffed and stuffed into the big black mariah.

The NYPD should go all out on these people. If I owned Zuccotti Park I would be calling 911 by the minute until it was cleared of these vagrants.

This protest is completely misdirected, has zero momentum toward a clear "protest goal", and seems to be turning into a an enclave for the homeless.

I would love to know how many of these "protestors" are claiming unemployment benefits on the backs of the companies they claim are doing no good.

What is their point? My God, put the energy into starting a business and employee all these losers. Wait, that wouldn't work...these people don't believe in people being paid, right?

Thank you to Sarah and Ray Neal, and Occupy New Haven! Civil disobedience is needed now more than ever. We need change and we need it bad. Shame on all you critics, I won't be helping you move when you foreclosure on your house.

I echo Dave's sentiment. Thanks Sara and Ray!

Now thats more like it. Great to see New Haven OWS'ers willing to actually get their hands dirty. Completely agree with Jim Martin, turning up the heat is the way to go. Now please stop camping on the New Haven green and spending your meetings squabbling over camp out minutia.

I'd like to see the OWS movement morph from "Camp here without clear demands, getting media attention but making problems for local government and citizens" to "March, loudly and in huge numbers, with a clear message; go home, march again with even huger numbers, rinse, repeat."

Hoping that as the weather gets colder, this is the direction it will take.

The OWS protest's need to get a clear and concise message instead of railing against anyone and everyone. They have some solid points that would gain them sympathy and a voice. For example, focus on the outlandish pay companies pay their CEOs, the outlandish severance packages for failed CEOs, the lack of accountability by institutional investors, the bailout culture, and the actions by the banking industry. Then come up with a plan to make the voice heard. Camping out in Zuccotti Park or the New Haven Green accomplishes nothing. Instead, peacefully march upon the offices of funds that invest in companies with poor behavior, march on the Union offices and ask why they don't withdraw their investments from companies,and organize nationwide boycotts of companies that are probelematic (i.e. boycott HP products for paying their failed CEO millions to leave).

Right now, the OWS protests look like a campout for people who don't like society. They are getting a bad name because they have no focus and it is hard to support them without that focus.

I have to sympathy for people who try to block other people from getting to their place of employment. Political protest is fine; don't restrict someone's ability to get to work.

Not cool.

I also agree that bringing Dr. King's name in comparison with OWS is a disservice to Dr. King's memory. He marched. He protested peacefully. He also went home, something these folks haven't figured out yet. And as to the collateral damage done to the surrounding neighborhoods...what's that old saying? Your rights end where my nose begins.

It takes time for a movement to jell. In the meantime, it may make more sense to find out who the leaders are and start to plan a strategy.
Back in the day, we had one overarching goal: Stop the (Vietnam) war.
But if you remember, the movement took years to come together on other issues. Anyone who thinks the movement came full born in 1968 is mistaken. One big difference is we had the colleges. Columbia and Berkeley got the attention but there was nary a campus that didn't have some kind of demonstration or at least publish a bill of particulars for the administration to chew on. We had our poets and songwriters and singers, but they took time to be noticed.The OWS has to figure out what it can get and who could be the leaders and get a name that makes sense. Already they are breaking down into haves and have-not groups. Their message is not getting out.
WCBS radio broadcast some woman yelling "Get a job" at the protesters. Obviously, that's the whole idea...people who want to get jobs but cannot because of the actions of Wall Street.
We need political action so those who make laws are not influenced only by big business and big lobbies.
There is a long way to go. You all made your point in the park. Now go home and figure out your goals, your leaders and your strategy. Call on those who got the war stopped and Johnson out and minorities at least on the path. Some are gone, but many are still around.
You guys need help.

It must be horrible to have your life disrupted by a bunch of scallywags who add no value to the economy or society in general.

Pop Quiz
1) Who are the scallywags?

For those who say that bringing Dr. King's name in comparison with OWS is a disservice to Dr. King's memory. He marched. He protested peacefully.

You need to read.Letter from a Birmingham Jail.

You deplore the demonstrations taking place in Birmingham. But your statement, I am sorry to say, fails to express a similar concern for the conditions that brought about the demonstrations. I am sure that none of you would want to rest content with the superficial kind of social analysis that deals merely with effects and does not grapple with underlying causes.

Even king broke the law.

Martin Luther King, Jr.: Letter From Birmingham Jail (clip)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K5XlCSUs6k


Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience. Our problem is that people all over the world have obeyed the dictates of leaders…and millions have been killed because of this obedience…Our problem is that people are obedient allover the world in the face of poverty and starvation and stupidity, and war, and cruelty. Our problem is that people are obedient while the jails are full of petty thieves… (and) the grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem."
― Howard Zinn

"Protest beyond the law is not a departure from democracy; it is absolutely essential to it. "
― Howard Zinn


"The challenge remains. On the other side are formidable forces: money, political power, the major media. On our side are the people of the world and a power greater than money or weapons: the truth.
Truth has a power of its own. Art has a power of its own. That age-old lesson – that everything we do matters – is the meaning of the people's struggle here in the United States and everywhere. A poem can inspire a movement. A pamphlet can spark a revolution. Civil disobedience can arouse people and provoke us to think, when we organize with one another, when we get involved, when we stand up and speak out together, we can create a power no government can suppress. We live in a beautiful country. But people who have no respect for human life, freedom, or justice have taken it over. It is now up to all of us to take it back."
― Howard Zinn, A Power Governments Cannot Suppress

Losers. Occupy a Job.

These occupiers as I said before deserve everything they get. Protesting is one thing but vandalism is not the way. Civil disobedience breaking things causing harm to police who protect you. Shame on you. I understand America was built on freedom of speech. But again all this waste is crap. Most of the people don't support what you are doing. But because we have to be civil in your group because god forgive if one of your group gets a paper cut you all would go wild, but you guys can do what ever you want and say its for the cause. That's bull crap. Mayor send them home. Again how much is this costing the city on a daily basis. That's what the editor needs to ask. This is our tax dollars and if they are not New Haven tax payers they have no right to stay there. Go home and New Haven Independent do your job and show both sides. They don't represent the 99%

high-fiving Threefifths for some positive and inspirational comments

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-november-16-2011/occupy-wall-street-divided

On not sharing his ipad with other OWS, "This is a personal possession, I'm more against private property, not personal property."

No sympathy.

"The NYPD should go all out on these people. If I owned Zuccotti Park I would be calling 911 by the minute until it was cleared of these vagrants.

This protest is completely misdirected, has zero momentum toward a clear "protest goal", and seems to be turning into a an enclave for the homeless.

I would love to know how many of these "protestors" are claiming unemployment benefits on the backs of the companies they claim are doing no good.

What is their point? My God, put the energy into starting a business and employee all these losers. Wait, that wouldn't work…these people don't believe in people being paid, right?"

In reply to this wonderful post, the point of these protests, however misguided they may be, are to make a statement that the 1% IE major corporations do not pay fair wages or treat workers fairly while their CEO's are paid insanely large amounts of money. The common man and woman must consider taking up 2 or 3 jobs to make ends meet, because even living strictly by a budget of just what you need and not spending extraneously, is hardly able to be done on a minimum wage salary. Meanwhile, those at the top of the food chain have no clear care for the fact that while they are warm, snug and well fed in bed this holiday season upcoming, millions have lost their homes, jobs and dignity because of bad business behavior. But never should we mind, correct? We are only a small representation of the vast 99%, we do represent what many people only wish they had the guts to also represent.

Also, seeing as the 99% are POOR and it often takes money to START a business, THAT'S why your ingenious plan cannot work. Remember, tax payer funded bailed out banks handed out that money to themselves instead of using it to put more money into the market and put the economy into a better direction. So getting a loan to start a business (which, fun fact, I would LOVE to do) is impossible UNLESS, YES! You guessed it! You already come pre-equipped with your own stock of money. People with ZERO money to their name are not GIVEN a chance to attempt to be big bad businessmen.

Also, we DO NOT and NEVER have said that we want people to NOT be paid. READ THIS CLEARLY: WE WANT FAIRFAIRFAIR! WAGES DISPERSED TO EMPLOYEES. Minimum wage was instated to be the least amount a company had to pay to a person for that said person to make it by. Minimum wage now just equates to barely scraping by.

All this said, while I support the concept behind the movement, I do agree that this movement lacks certain key factors that would help it to gain more momentum.

1) Despite having the goal of having protestors represent the "anonymous" 99%, any good movement does need a clear leader.

2) Also, any good movement needs a concise protest goal. If you are for fairer wages and more ethical treatment for employees from businesses, then THAT is it. DO not bring in your greener earth issues, or animal rights issues PLEASE. That clutters the message and makes us look like confused, ignorant twits.

3) Lastly, this whole camping out things, while making a clear statement that the unemployed and underemployed are, in most cases, foreclosed upon and thus, camping in town parks is the only place to live, needs to STOP. March daily, sleep nightly. Stay refreshed and the battle is better fought. Elsewise, you look like you're just a bunch of lazy partiers with no jobs. Which I'm sure you all want to look more like great American patriots, standing up to make a difference.

Robn, I am taking your quiz, but I am having a tough time with question 1. May I answer "All the above, some of the time?"

Why odes a state rep waste time making calls on behalf of these people? They are adults, making choices they knew could lead to being arrested. Suck it up and stay in jail. These "protestors" are ... not up to anything near the sacrifices people made in the 60's; just people trying to be cool and feel like they are doing something, but not really willing to get in the game.

@ Jim Martin,

To call the Occupy movement "civil disobedience" is a joke. If they had been doing this for weeks, then you would have a point. Truth is, they've been doing a watered-down, pampered version of civil disobedience for most of it. If you're easy to ignore, like just sitting around in a park all the time, you're doing it wrong, or you don't really care.

This movement is a good example of the expression, "Stupid is as Stupid does". Hate to break it to you guys, but communism has been tried before and we have seen that it evolves into dictatorships. During the 1930s, the German population, blamed the Jewish financiers for their economic woes and that gave rise to Nazism. Capitalism may not be perfect and may not even be fair, but it is the best economic system for the most people, albeit there is a need for more regulation. So, stop making a mess, getting arrested and get on with your lives! I am also the 99% but think your movement is dangerous and stupid.

@Threefifths

No, you are absolutely wrong. Dr. King would never, EVER participate in a group that welcomes anti-Semites, socialists and communists. Ever.
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@Rep Pat Dillon

One would think that as an elected governmental official you'd at least KNOW the law... but then again one would think an elected government official wouldn't stand with a group advocating the downfall of the United States government.

A police officer may detain an individual for safety reasons if they have reasonable suspicion that the person is involved in criminal activity, including a "Terry-Stop" pat down for weapons. Since multiple NYPD Officers were assaulted yesterday, I'd say that legal threshold was met. Its called investigative detention. You aren't under arrest, but you aren't free to go either. This is Criminal Justice 101 stuff... ...

NYPD, PLEASE break out the LRAD

This article had numerous comments, some rather long and an active dialog going within 60 minutes of its posting, today's article on "Slain Man's Brother-Ice the Beef" has 2 short posts in over 2 hours. If you want to save the world, spend your energy writting to stop violence on our streets, not complaining about whether the NYPD policy on restraining persons accused of civil disobedience is proper...we need some perspective folks. Your rage is focused poorly.

@?Threefiths..Do NOT even connect Dr. Kings' name with this type of nonsense. Dr. King arrived in different locations, made his point and left and continued to fight for his cause. He never took a group of people, told them to have problems with law enforcement and to set up camp somewhere to prove a point. This whole scenario has gotten way out of hand and the purpose for it is being lost in all the nonsense now taking place.

HhE,

The correct answer is, "Few of the people, all of the time."

Know thyself and thou shalt know the universe and it's gods

posted by: Reality Check on November 18, 2011 9:49am
@Threefifths

No, you are absolutely wrong. Dr. King would never, EVER participate in a group that welcomes anti-Semites, socialists and communists.

Show me were at Occupation wall street that anti-Semites, socialists and communists are there. As far as Dr. King not participate in a group that welcomes anti-Semites, socialists and communists. How come he work with A. Philip Randolph who was a memeber of the Socialist Party.You need to read history on Dr.King.He was a Democratic Socialist.

"You can't talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You can't talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. You're really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you are messing with folk then. You are messing with captains of industry.... Now this means that we are treading in difficult water, because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong... with capitalism.... There must be a better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism". ~ Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Frogmore, S.C. November 14, 1966. Speech in front of his staff.
Do you home work.

posted by: evelyn on November 18, 2011 10:40am
@?Threefiths..Do NOT even connect Dr. Kings' name with this type of nonsense. Dr. King arrived in different locations, made his point and left and continued to fight for his cause. He never took a group of people, told them to have problems with law enforcement and to set up camp somewhere to prove a point. This whole scenario has gotten way out of hand and the purpose for it is being lost in all the nonsense now taking place

If what you say is true.They why is that President Barack Obama say that Martin Luther King Jr. would have approved of the ongoing Occupy Wall Street movement.

US
Obama: MLK Would Have Approved of Occupy Wall Street Movement


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2793709/posts

Even Dr.king daughter said her father would have would have given two thumbs up to the Occupy Wall Street movement, and probably would have occupied a city or two himself.

Every leader who spoke at the Martin Luther King memorial dedication Sunday agreed that the civil rights leader would have given two thumbs up to the Occupy Wall Street movement, and probably would have occupied a city or two himself.

Rather than accepting honors, King would be "occupying this place until there was a change in the economic system and the distribution of wealth," said his daughter, the Rev. Bernice King.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-blinq/132167443.html

So waht is your point.I will be going down there tommrow.Want to come.Bring some bail money.

posted by: Reality Check on November 18, 2011 9:49am

NYPD, PLEASE break out the LRAD
Give me a break Read this.

Experts Say N.Y. Police Dept. Isn't Policing ItselfBy WILLIAM K. RASHBAUM, JOSEPH GOLDSTEIN and AL BAKER
Published: November 2, 2011

Seven narcotics investigators are convicted of planting drugs on people to meet arrest quotas. Eight current and former patrol officers are charged with smuggling guns into the state. Another is charged with making a false arrest, apparently as a favor for his cousin. Three more are convicted of robbing a perfume warehouse.All these cases involved New York City police officers and unfolded or were resolved in recent months. But beyond the fact of criminal charges against those sworn to protect the public, they all had another thing in common: Each case was uncovered by an outside agency, not the Internal Affairs Bureau of the New York Police Department, the unit responsible for unearthing and investigating officers' wrongdoing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/03/nyregion/experts-say-ny-police-dept-isnt-policing-itself.html?_r=1&amp;hp;

Well done, Occupy New Haven and Occupy Wall Street, for taking on the responsiblity of taking back our democracy.

Comrades, We are on the eve of another Bolshevik revolution!! We must stay strong. Somewhere up there, our heroes, Martin, Gandhi, and Josef Stalin are smiling tenderly down upon us!

We are at the dawn of a new era! An era free of capitalism, greed, college tuition, and those annoying foreign ATM fees.

Our "Free Stores" will soon put Wal-mart out of business! And soon, very soon, we will "nationalize" the banks and redistribute all the wealth to the 99% so that EVERY citizen may be able to buy their very own tent and join us on the Green in joyous squalor. We will call our new town square "New Occu-Haven"!

Oh, Comrades, the smell revoltion is in the air! It is an odor that tells me we are only days away from our glorious Anarcho-Communism vision! It also tells me that the Dept of Public Works better get down here to empty out our porto-johns STAT!. Because let me tell you, if we get back from our twilight march against the NH COPS BRUTALITY and those damn toilets aren't spotless, the Mayor will be hearing from the 99%!!! And THAT's a "NEW HAVEN PROMISE"!

"Communism is not love. It is a hammer with which we use to crush our enemies."

• Chairman Mao

Who cares??????????????///

Ivote:
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Most of the New Haven protesters have jobs and or go to school. My sister, Sara Neal, works full time and volunteers twice a week at both APNH and the community soup kitchen.

As a financier who finds the 1)bank bailouts' socialization of foreseeable consequences of crony capitalism and moral hazard, 2)counter-party payments from the publicly-owned bankrupted company AIG and bonuses to those who caused them to fail and taxpayers to have to save them, and 3)appointment of Larry Summers and the like, etc. all ethically appalling acts which no average taxpayer should have been asked to pay for, it is about time there was a protest. Thank you to them for doing, on my behalf, what I should have done.

Yes, it's all very dramatic.
And accomplishing squat.
Other than keeping other 99%ers from going to work.
Push cops you get arrested. And handcuffed.
Which is why you went down there, so let's quit with the phony surprise and outrage.

Wow... "Occupy a job"? Hahaha, are you kidding? 70% of Occupy protesters work, including me! I work full-time and I still manage to drive up to Occupy New Haven four or five times a week, because we need to get the money out of politics, among other things, and we must come together and figure out how to solve that problem and others. The problems in this country with the bought and paid for politicians is NOT going to solve itself! We don't have all the answers, but we're finally asking the right questions.

why are comments edited/not chosen to be posted?
who is at the helm?
and what is their agenda?

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Why did u take down the picture of sara neal crying and hugging the cop? It was a classic!

For all of you who fell this is a waste of time.This is for you.

Occupy Wall Street protests aren't over by a long shot
Mayor Bloomberg and Commissioner Ray Kelly can't stop the movement
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

Originally Published: Friday, November 18 2011,


http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/occupy-wall-street-protests-a-long-shot-article-1.979483

Great. So why aren't the actions of this 'movement' directed at disrupting the government that allows these companies to get away with the things they do? Any business in any industry is going to use the resources at its disposal to gain any edge it can, whether it's wall street banks lobbying for special privileges to any incumbent business in any industry lobbying for special licensing or other 'regulation' designed to limit competition within their space. It's the GOVERNMENT that these companies make their appeals to, and it's the GOVERNMENT that in turns grants them the ability to conduct business in the manner that they do. Corporations are never going to stop seeking the edge; what needs to change is that the politicians who allow themselves to be influenced by these companies need to be removed. Go bang on their doors. Instead, the people inconvenienced most by Thursday's 'demonstration' were those who worked hard in order to get a job in a competitive industry and were just trying to get to work - not to be confused with 'bad,' 'greedy,' or 'immoral' people.

And if attacking the companies is the approach, why is Wall St getting all the focus when then are the heads of College & Universities across the country exempt from your rage? Have they not profited immensely by peddling degrees with severely diluted value at enormous sums?

Also, @E, raising the minimum wage is not going to incentivize any buisiness, especially small businesses in a down economy, to hire.

"Dillon had intervened on her behalf by contacting the Manhattan borough president"


one of the 99% using political influence to grease the wheels. unbelievable cognitive dissonance.

Jay,
Like many NHI readers, I saw a picture of Sara crying, in which it appeared the officer had grabbed her from behind in a headlock. I was worried about her safety and their judgment, since she poses no physical threat to anyone. I have no standing in NY legal matters - that's for the courts - but asked everyone I spoke to - Cmsr Kelly's office, central booking, more - to vouch for the safety of New Haven people in lockup, and told them about the picture.
I didn't think of the borough president, but I'll find out if that office can look into conditions in New York lockups as well.

Jay, it's unfair to presume that only the rich and the elite can contact their legislators for help.
The problem is that legislators tend to listen more to lobbyists than to their constituents. I applaud Rep. Dillon for responding to a constituent in need.

Occupiers,

... Your "easy news" objectives are bait for a lazy media that should be focusing on the real suffering and ways to stop it. Visit a few countries where toddlers live in dumps. Places where $3 vaccines are unobtainable. Places where leper colonies exist. Places where food and clean water are unheard of. Countries where infants die from mosquito bites. Areas ravaged by wars started thousands of years ago. THEN use some of the basic math provided by your free public education and decide what % you are in.

Every time one of you gets maced or battered by a police force that should be spending it's resources fighting crime I am going to bake a cake, take it down to the station, and give $10 to Doctors Without Borders in the officer's names.

@pat
the text of the article makes it appear that you contacted the borough president and as a result mrs neal was released.

@maria

is it unfair to presume that only the rich and well connected receive assistance from politicians, or not? if you reread your last post you'll see you've contradicted yourself.

Funny how that picture of the girl crying was taken down. ... Pat Dillon the cops had her in a head lock that's why she is crying. Don't think so. She is going to lock up that's why. Then nhindependent you show that knucklehead bloody. At least you said the assaulted them throwing batteries at them. Great job for the movement attacking the people who protect you. I'm just waiting for your ... group to start something in New Haven. I hope the cops stomp you and arrest all of you. I am also losing alot of respect for New Haven independent for not getting answers about how much this is costing the city. If it is known I bet the citizens would go and kick your butts off the green. ... or is this just the occupiers voice peace. Just to get it straight too. I am in the 99% but their views don't represent me or most people. Leave and go home. We don't want you here.

A tip from my youth: A bandanna wet with egg whites is a better eye protection than one with vinegar when facing with tear gas.

I just wish all this name-calling and ideology-bashing would stop so we could focus on the basic issue -- that the buying of elections by large, wealthy companies is killing the middle class. Ultimately this hurts everyone. When the poor can no longer aspire to be middle-class, they lose hope and become disenfranchised. When there is only a few percent of the population with money to buy products or to invest, even the wealthy will suffer -- though they haven't the foresight to see this. Jobs brings prosperity that filters up and down the social and economic ladder.

There are certainly legitimate issues to protest and police are now overzealous in their handling of peaceful protest, but the issues are getting so muddled in the name-calling that I fear the basics are getting lost. For example, paying six- and seven-figure compensation as a reward for cutting jobs and working the remaining staff well beyond their capacity is counterproductive.
I hope we will find our way back.
Meanwhile -- egg whites.

Jay,
Don't think you read my last comment or you would not have written that I contradicted myself. My last comment was: I'm so proud of them. How is that a contradiction.

@maria

the contradiction was that you first said it was unfair for me to presume that legislators only legislate for the rich elites and then in the very next sentence state that the problem is that legislators more often listen to lobbyists over their constituents. that's what i meant. kudos on being proud, sorry i wasn't clear.

Here's a good question: Why don't we do an Occupy Area 51 event where hundreds of thousands come and try to get in Area 51 to see what's inside the lower levels or demand that the government let people know all the truth about any aliens our government has made contact with? How bout the "greys" or Zeta Reticulans and what they're doing on the Earth that our government won't tell anyone about? There's the theory that the U.S. government (military) is hiding more than downed ufo's in there. Maybe the U.S. military has a few extraterrestrials living as prisoners in Area 51 since the white man didn't exactly treat the Native Americans right when Christopher Columbus met the Natives, so you can't expect our military to ever admit that et's even exist since that would give rights to a new group of people who we don't even think exist. Much like the case of the Native Americans in the 1600's thru the 1800's where the first Native Americans discovered were enslaved or killed and treated like they had no rights since no one knew that Native Americans existed before the 1600's. I believe that our government needs to come clean and tell the whole truth about any and all contact with et's and tell us what they know, unless the military just let their peoples memories be wiped clean so they can have the excuse of "Duh, we don't know of meeting with et's or any such nonsense!" How about we investigate the Incident at Ft. Benning in which 1300 U.S. soldiers were abducted by aliens in 1977 or 1978 from Ft. Benning while in formation, and now three soldiers have come forward saying they remember some of what happened and apparently the soldiers remember being in a firefight against ufo's, they remember getting abducted by "greys" who did lots of medical tests on them, possibly they collected sperm from the soldiers to make babies, and that would make you ask how many humans are being abducted a year, how many people don't know they may have had children with extraterrestrials and those children could be on another planet or on the Earth in underground cities (under the oceans just below our feet 2.5 miles down, and we wouldn't even know of this)? Also, at the end of the Ft. Benning Incident the et's let our soldiers go and somehow made them forget everything that happened, but then our government shot down that ufo that was the size of a Wal-Mart and the ufo broke in half so our military had the ufo flown off in two air transport vehicles to some other military base, so what happened to the aliens on board the ufo? Did they just escape our troops or does our government have et's as prisoners or do we have some deal with the aliens to just let them go after we shoot down their ufo's? I have the theory that our government won't tell the truth until something big happens that can't be covered up like a mothership crashing in someplace like off of California's seashore (beachfront area) and dozens or hundreds would see it happen. Or better yet, if the "greys" ever succeed in their medical experiment and finish the present stage of the experiment, then they could make contact and explain what they've been doing on the Earth. If the abductions stopped and our government let et's live on the Earth so as to talk people into volunteering to go to fertility clinics to donate sperm/ovum to the "greys" cause and the abductions weren't happening anymore, then contact could happen. I believe that our government won't tell the truth until this present phase of the "greys" medical experiment ends and the abductions end. When will the truth come out on this issue or many other issues? We need an Occupy Area 51 event to make the government come clean about everything!