Avelo Pushes Earliest Flight Times To 6:30 A.M.

will, prospectively, save me e~ $$: no more alarm clock needed.

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Morris Cove neighbors will get a half-hour reprieve from morning airplane noises starting on Thursday, as Avelo Airlines pushes back its earliest daily from 6 to 6:30 a.m.
Scanlon, Avelo CE0 Andrew Levy, and Avports CEO Jorge Roberts in November 2021.
For Avelo to ​“hear the mayor and I,” Scanlon said, and for them ​“to be responsive to concerns” about disruptive early morning flight noises, is a good example of Avelo acting as a responsible corporate citizen.

“The first method for estimating the intelligence of a ruler is to look at the men he has around him.”

― Niccolò Machiavelli, The Prince

To the Morris Cove neighbors You are being sold Snake-Oil And Three Card Monte.
Snake Oil Salesman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD3xhzuTrhA

Three Card Monte Street Hustle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2kO_5cNF5k

You are going to be sold out by Judas Goats.Down the road just like they did to the people of West Haven.They are going after your Homes.They Need the land that you homes are on.Look at now how there will be Flights from Hartford, CT to Montego Bay, Jamaica.The word I got is Tweed will soon be going to Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic.And I bet down the road there will soon be International Flights so you will not have to go to John F. Kennedy International Airport.

I am willing to believe that Avelo is working in good faith. But flights are often late. I would not be surprised to regularly see flights landing after midnight, particularly in the winter.

1644, I think Chicago qualifies as a business destination (spoken as a fourth generation Chicagoan). And some leisure travelers will be making connections at BWI as well as Midway, both of which are hubs for Southwest.

@THREEFIFTHS, "The word I got is Tweed will soon be going to Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic.And I bet down the road there will soon be International Flights so you will not have to go to John F. Kennedy International Airport." The Dominican Republic is an international destination, but it and San Juan might have to wait for the runway project to be finished. One that might work at Tweed is Bermuda. Some international cities have US customs and immigration preclearance so that when landing stateside, one departs with no further customs inspections. Tweed does not have customs clearance facilities. As far as other international destinations, if you are implying Europe, don't bet on it. Even Bradley does not have flights to Europe. The Connecticut market is too small for those types of flights and Bradley could not support the few flights to Europe that were tried. JFK is the best on the east coast for international flights, a wide assortment of foreign airlines non-stop to many European capitals.

@Kevin McCarthy "I am willing to believe that Avelo is working in good faith. But flights are often late." I agree, but try to imagine yourself on a return flight to Tweed and bad weather or air traffic control backup makes your flight late departing. Would you rather have the flight cancelled or arrive late the same day? Flights arriving late are the exception not the rule. Feedback from some Avelo users seems to be mostly positive. In less than two months, Avelo would have been at Tweed for one year. Going from 4 cities served to 14 cities in less than one year shows the pent up demand for air travel along the shoreline.

Kevin, yes, Chicago is a business destination, but Avelo offers only one flight a day at the end of the day. From BDL, I can take a choice of several morning flights, and an evening 20:30 return at gets me back by midnight, all for under $200, saving hotel costs and sleeping in my own bed.

almost unbelievable how responsive the airport and the airline are to local requests....although I'm sure there will still be those who wish we had no local flight options

This is gaslighting ala 2022. Planes used to be limited to 7 am to 10 pm. Avports made it 6 a.m. They want to make it sound like a concession to the neighbors and it is no such thing.

IDK, 3/5's. I don't think there is room for a real international airport like JFK given the buildup of the area. I don't think they can buy all the houses but they could take them a few at a time with eminent domain. The elite corporations think long term--- Yale buys property all over downtown and sits on it for years. They can afford the long game. Most of us don't have those kinds of means. And you can always count on your neighbors to stab you in the back--- Judas indeed! They sold us out for a few cheap flights to Florida. This is the wreckage of our modern age.... no care for the other, no morals, no limits on greed. It has always been so but it was a little controlled by religion and fear of the mob. The mob today?? Busy tapping on the keyboard like me and watching Netflix and buying weed-- PERFECT!

@CityYankee2 Wow, you need to calm down, your blood pressure must be through the roof. I agree that "no care for the other, no morals, no limits on greed", it's part of what the Bible calls the last days. 2 Tim 3:1-5. As far as Tweed, these new flights are taking place on existing Tweed property. The old 2009 MOA allowed for 30 daily flights, Avelo is not near that figure. The runway upgrade and terminal are not requiring more land to be taken.
" "I don't think there is room for a real international airport like JFK given the buildup of the area." Spot on and if Bradley cannot offer overseas flights, Tweed never will except for a few caribbean islands. JFK has 5200 acres, Tweed 400 acres. I see Tweed with Avelo with its present flights and in the future Delta and United with 10-15 flights between the two. Hoped for hub airports to be served, Atlanta, Detroit, Chicago and Washington Dulles.
That's it, nowhere near the number of flights at Bradley, but enough to make travel easier and closer for the shoreline. Tweed has never had the number of passengers it has today, that shows the demand is here and people are leaving Bradley for Tweed, keeping travelers dollars in the local area, not Windsor Locks. "I don't think there is room for a real international airport like JFK given the buildup of the area."

Airport boosters have been lying for years to EHV and NHV residents about noise impacts. Avelo hasn’t even built their new terminal and expanded flights yet and they’re already a nuisance for Newhallville and East Rock. residents.

steve
Sep 7, 2022 9:49 pm

@THREEFIFTHS, "The word I got is Tweed will soon be going to Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic.And I bet down the road there will soon be International Flights so you will not have to go to John F. Kennedy International Airport.

Notice I said.And I bet down the road there will soon be International Flights so you will not have to go to John F. Kennedy International Airport.And I stand By that.

You said.
As far as other international destinations, if you are implying Europe, don't bet on it. Even Bradley does not have flights to Europe. The Connecticut market is too small for those types of flights and Bradley could not support the few flights to Europe that were tried.Some international cities have US customs and immigration preclearance so that when landing stateside, one departs with no further customs inspections. Tweed does not have customs clearance facilities

The term is call think future.Change is coming.And if I was the people in Morris Cove.I would startnow looking to move.

Let's face it, the folks around Tweed will NEVER be satisfied.
Even after American Airlines suspended service, they shifted their complaints to Robinson Aviation's operations.
They complained the airport was a "drain" on the taxpayers. Now they complain about the recent agreement between the Airport Authority and Avports, which will remove the airport from city subsidy.
They complained the airport couldn't compete because the airfares were too high. Now they complain because they're too low.
That complained about the noise. And even after the houses were soundproofed, they STILL complained.
They complained that Tweed is "an accident waiting to happen," yet have fought EVERY attempt the airport has undertaken to improve safety on the excuse that it's "expansion."
They complain about "pollution," but when they speak of the "convenience" of Bradley, it's always by CAR. I've yet to read of anyone---ANYONE---saying what a great experience it was using the Hartford Line to get to Bradley. No, they'd rather those cars run for an hour to Windsor Locks versus 20 minutes to Tweed.
For 55 years I've heard the same bubbemeise about this "dangerous" airport. They blame Tweed for everything; higher taxes, flooding, climate change, coyotes, mental illness, you name it. It's a wonder commentators such as City Yankee 2, Three-Fifths and 1644 haven't blamed Tweed for the war in the Ukraine...well, not YET, anyway.
But ya know what? People still move out there. Because the East Shore is the "bargain basement" of the Promised Land. Woodbridge and Madison are out of their budgets.
So what do we do? Close the airport? Then let's put in a great big Section 8 housing project so EVERYONE can enjoy the "quality of life" out there!

Steve, my point is that flight delays happen, and people are going to hear jets late at night. When my flight from Midway to Tweed was delayed, I was glad that it took off. But I suspect that the people in the glide path weren't thrilled.

1644, the flights I took to and from Midway were almost full. I would not be surprised that Avelo adds flights there. It would likely to make economic sense for the airline. Right now, it has to pay for a ground crew at Midway, even though currently it has only one in-bound and one out-bound flight there. And while it is no big deal for you or I to drive to Bradley, 30% of city households and most Yale undergrads don't have cars here. Getting to Bradley (or the NYC airports) using public transit is a pain. Unless you are taking Amtrak to EWR (expensive) it involves a train and a bus. There are shuttles direct to the airport, but that will cost you nearly $100 including tip to get to JFK.

This is no concession, stop gaslighting us. The original schedule was no flights before 7am. People need to stop praising Scanlon and Elicker. Jobs pouring coffee are not going to stimulate the economy. Just stop it. Goldman Sachs is sh$&*ng on us and making money in the process.

@THREEFIFTHS, Please clarify what international destinations you have in mind. I don't see Tweed having flights to Europe ever. Many airports have the word "international" in their full name, but only a few are truly are international in scope.

Steve; Avelo has about 15 daily flights now. If Delta and United had 10-15 each, the 30 flight max would be busted. Moreover, Avelo is not flying RJs. It's 737 have large passenger loads and are attracting travel from beyond the immediate area, hence the lack of parking. Avelo is also generating demand with its low fares, so the idea that its customers would be driving to BDL, polluting the air, doesn't apply. As it is, I see Springfield folks on Avelo's Facebook page saying they want more convenient flights from HVN to PBI, presumably because of the low fares. After all, BDL has great flights to PBI, but if fares are lower from HVN people may drive from far away to use HVN, generating more pollution than if they used BDL, or TF Green, or White Plains. A larger operation also negates a key advantage of flying from Tweed, being able to get on and off the plane quickly.

Kevin Amtrak to EWR is dirt cheap, only $25 if you reserve in advance, and still less than $100 if you don't. The problem with Amtrak is the last departure is 1820, so most flights from the Iceland, UK, Europe will arrive too late for Amtrak, leaving one with an absurd NJ Transit/subway/Metro North three seat ride to Union Station. A spur from the Hell's Gate viaduct in Queens could connect with LGA, but as it is, one cannot even take a train or subway from the city to LGA, and it's at least two seats from the city to JFK. I don't know of any shuttles. Last I checked they had stopped running them, so I had to hire a car.

Mr. 3/5's is correct, there will be more international flights, but Europe is out. You'll see weekly Cancun shuttles to Aruba and Cancun, likely on Saturdays using the same plan back forth 2 times, and possibly other Caribbean destination once the service matures and landing fees are negotiated in Avelo's favor. What everyone is not considering is the other international destinations - Canada. Once the East Haven terminal opens, Halifax, Quebec, Montreal, and Toronto will be on deck.

@1644 "Steve; Avelo has about 15 daily flights now. If Delta and United had 10-15 each." No way would Delta or United have 10-15 daily flights at Tweed. Delta I feel would offer 3-4 daily flights to Atlanta, their largest hub and perhaps 2-3 daily flights to Detroit. United 3-4 daily flights to Chicago and 2 daily flights to Washington Dulles airport.
Bradley has 4 Delta daily flights to Atlanta and 3 daily flights to Detroit. United has 3 daily flights to Chicago and 4 daily flights to Washington Dulles. Flights to Tweed would never exceed these numbers which is seven for each airline. If Tweed had the number of flights I mention by Delta and United , these along with Avelo would meet the needs of almost all travelers. Service to 4 hub airports would allow connections to many domestic and international cities. I don't see many from Springfield travelers coming to Tweed as Bradley has some low cost carriers that have service to Florida. Bottom line, there is a ready made market for air travel in the shoreline area stretching from Bridgeport to Old Saybrook and in the inland cities and towns.
Avelo has shown people will support more flights shown by Avelo starting with 4 cities and now serves 14 cities.
Some may not like Tweeds new flights but the local population is buying up the tickets by the thousands.
Like it or not, Tweed is doing well and will continue to do so. Not everyone accepts change very well, but Tweed is not a new public facility, all those who moved in knew of its existence and choose to move in. For decades Tweed has had airline service with jets and props and now people are discovering Tweed is the closest airport by a long shot. The masses have spoken.

I live in the flight path from Tweed. Occasionally a plane flies in lower than normal and makes me nervous, and I have noticed more planes. But I know that the vast majority of plane crashes that have happened both here and around the country have been small private planes, and not large commercial planes. The lengthening of the runway helps to reduce the danger of crashes at takeoffs and landings. (And the highways create more pollution, and you are much more likely to be in a vehicle accident than a plane crash.) I believe many who are upset about Tweed are struggling with PTSD from the small plane crashes that have occurred over the years at Tweed.
I once looked at a house for sale at one end of the runway, and I realized that while the houses on the sides of the runway made sense in terms of noise and how close the planes were, the houses at either end of the runway, (most of which were built long after the airport existed,) should have never been allowed to be built so close to the runways. The airport should buy those houses at fair market value and turn them into noise reducing and flood water mitigation landscaping areas.
If you bought a house next to an airport, train tracks, or other noise creating and pollution emitting transit systems, you may try to advocate for quieter operation, less polluting, safer operations and reducing the impact on the environment through mitigation and technological improvements, but you can’t ask to have those transit systems shut down or to go away. They were there before you were even alive, never mind bought a property, and they serve a benefit to the larger public.
I would love to see flights to Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, New Orleans, Vegas, LA, San Francisco, Mexico, the Pacific Northwest, Toronto, Quebec, Puerto Rico, other Caribbean locations, and to other major international airline hubs. This would increase vacation and business travel, which would benefit CT’s economy.

@heather C. "I would love to see flights to Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, New Orleans, Vegas, LA, San Francisco, Mexico, the Pacific Northwest, Toronto, Quebec, Puerto Rico, other Caribbean locations, and to other major international airline hubs. This would increase vacation and business travel, which would benefit CT’s economy." The only way some of these cites can be added to Tweed is with another hub based airline such as Delta or United.
Delta to Atlanta and United to either Chicago or Washington Dulles airports would fill the gaps that you listed. Avelo is a point to point airline, no hubs where passenger change planes, but bases like Tweed that offer non-stop flights to an assortment of cities that are popular. Avelo flights are well supported and a few more may be added.

@ Heather C. I agree, but right now the terminal is busy most of the day. I feel if Delta and or United came to Tweed soon, the service would be by regional jets seating 70-76 passengers. The smaller planes might fit between Avelo's flights. The new terminal will remove that problem.

@THREEFIFTHS, a practice called give and take is lost on the few who oppose Tweed. They remind me of bratty kids who insist they want their way completely. The fold their arms and stamp their feet and hold their breath till they get what they want. Poor attitude for so-called adults to have. Tweed has made concessions such as changing the time of the first departing flight, having planes taxi with one engine to reduce noise, the Auxiliary Power Unit (APU) will be turned off upon arriving at the gate, all meant to reduce noise. Many homes were insulated for free and perhaps more will be added to the list. Tweed is an airport and Avelo is an airline, both abiding by FAA regulations and yet noise is a byproduct of an airports operation. As far as late arrivals, sometimes that cannot be helped. Bad weather and delays at the departing airport happen at times but it is the exception, not the rule.
It's time to realize that Tweed is not going away and all the anti Tweed rhetoric is not going stop the airport from offering flights the locals want. Trying to be reasonable and adapt to the new normal can go a long way in reducing the anger some feel. We have adapted to higher gas and grocery prices, Covid 19, rising home prices, higher air fares, rising medical costs etc. The Tweed issue does not come anywhere close to these other hardships that been thrust upon all of us.